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explode the bazaars

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or e-ticket ride into the world of the

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paranoid strap yourself e'en as we

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traverse the universe exploring the

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unexplained UFO s ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports spooky out here in the

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Bridgewater triangle almost like it's a

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jungle and not forest I hope we don't

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encounter big for our group of some evil

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aliens they're always trying to get me

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Ken yeah it seems like if they could

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almost shoot the next step predator a

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movie out here hmm I hear a lot of

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people have gone missing not far from we

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are now where do you suppose they've

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gone then oh I don't know anything about

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that Tim but there's a there's a spooky

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light over there that seems to be

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getting closer maybe we should go back

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to the KCR studio just to be safe oh

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that's a bright idea almost as bright as

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that light just ahead my god it's

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getting yeah it's getting good closer

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let's go back to the other the other way

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yeah bad joke I believe in you behind

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see oh boy hello there Jim why hello

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mister hello mister Beckley I'm not

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going to see I'm glad to see that your

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video yes son I'm back here well and I'm

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glad to see that your printers stopped

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talking to you yeah I know isn't that

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kind of peculiar we're trying to get

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through to me on skype and the only

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voice is coming through the printer I

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guess everything everything has well you

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know everything has Wi-Fi

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these days and if the president and his

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group can pick up our voices and know

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just when I opened the door to my

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microwave anything is anything is

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yeah but again I guess now I understand

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more why why people hate their printers

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so much well we use it we use ours a lot

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so Tim how's your week been going oh

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well it's been it's been pretty busy Tim

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and reason the reason for that is

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because you've got a new book coming out

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I I do and it's a little bit of naked

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witchcraft this more than emerges my

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favorite kind I indeed indeed yes it's a

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book about the David Bowie market Bolin

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Freddie Prinze senior wan bode the

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fabulous underground artist lots of

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gossip lots of witchcraft

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lots of spells and candle magic and it's

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White Witch of New York and and growing

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the city yeah meeting everyone from Jimi

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Frankenstein album and hanging out

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Academy of Music and that should be out

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in just a couple of days I I think it's

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going to be a whirlwind of a book and

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it's got a something in there for

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everybody I would would say regardless

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of your tastes just like your book Jeff

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the talking Mongoose the eighth wonder

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in the world has been well I hope so I

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mean I think yours probably has a little

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bit more of a yeah a wider appeal I you

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know I know that you know going through

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it myself and and reading all the

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stories I just you know found them

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fascinating and what's the big thing -

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it's a full color body tone almost

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of course that brings the price up just

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a little but we will have a more

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economical black and white version and

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then it's probably a week but we do want

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to get this edition the full color

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edition out and I thank you for doing a

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wonderful job in putting it together I'm

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really excited about it but I'm sure our

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have in store for them this evening so

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Tim who are our guests well well we've

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got a couple of great guests tonight we

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have a new guest and and an old friend

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is making a return visit but first of

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all well let's welcome Christopher o

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Abbas on Oh now Christopher is a writer

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researcher folklorist and current host

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of the podcast tripping on legends

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he's been documented in the unexplained

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since 1994 and has been a figure in the

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paranormal world through his books

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articles and his work as the director of

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Massachusetts paranormal crossroads and

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now trippin on legends now pizanno is

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the author of several books about

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regional ha teens dark woods cults

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crimes and the paranormal in the

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Freetown state forest and ghosts of the

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Bridgewater triangle as well as the

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collection of true ghost stories ghostly

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adventures and the how-to paranormal

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books picture yourself ghost hunting and

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picture yourself capturing ghost on film

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his most recent book haunted objects

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stories of ghosts on your shelf capture

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stories of everyday people who have

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accidentally allowed spirits into their

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house now Chris has been a contributor

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to Jeff Bellinger's encyclopedia of

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haunted places and weird Massachusetts

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and was one of the writers behind behind

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weird hauntings he has also appeared and

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more than a dozen other books often

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called in to offer insight into the

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paranormal of perspective on Apes you

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know in certain cases

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now Jeff's

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the site for his triple legend is triple

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legend dot hip cast dot-com and I highly

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recommend after they listen to exploring

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the bazaar go and and check out tripping

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the trippin on legends I've listened to

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a few of those podcast in it very good

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and as well as a number of the Articles

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that that Christopher has written that

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can be found all over the web so I

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highly recommend them now making a

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return visit is our good friend

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Rockcastle Otto now rah is a creative

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soul and born artist he creates his own

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music comic books poetry he hosts radio

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shows and a lifelong martial artist and

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coach narra is a hereditary dream sear

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and Shama shaman and his ancient true

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skin I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing

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that right there well you can correct me

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afterwards Astraea ancestry are called

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the oh my gosh don't even gotta try to

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Benna don t am i right well he's got his

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microphone muted so he's probably got

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two hey I was pretty close there or the

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English translation Trustin it's

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Etruscan Etruscan okay thank you

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good walkers now rod does Oracle psychic

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readings dream interpretation and helps

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others activate their dormant DNA and

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true abilities he can also be considered

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an expert on each reskin I got it a

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called history now raised in the old

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ways his lineage has been protecting

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ancient secrets regarding the sacred

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years and he is a gifted intuitive and

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has been communicated with other planes

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of existence since his near-death

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experience at the age of nine now raw

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at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on his

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show spiral radio and Saturdays at 7

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I of raw as he brings us down the

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mystical spiral of life and I I should

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always mention that our guests if you go

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to our page on the case you or our

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website all the links to our guest

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websites and and podcasts and things

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like that are our teen our producer

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always has them on there so raw

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being with us tonight on exploring the

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bazaar thank you very much

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well we have a dandy here to show lined

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get Christopher in we started out kind

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of making a joke or or getting a chuckle

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realize that there is an actual

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Bridgewater triangle so Chris what what

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Bridgewater a triangle and how you got

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the whole ball of wax here as far as the

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paranormal goes sure the Bridgewater

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triangle as it's kind of classically

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mysterious America is a 200 square mile

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and Rehoboth and Loren Coleman was kind

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middle and within this area you can

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paranormal you're looking for I mean it

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really is you know that the testing

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zombie yes yeah it was the first well

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you know it how deep do you want me to

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get all the way out there in the swamp

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now so let's keep going yeah well in the

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as being a dumping ground and so there

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drugged and dumped into the forest

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potentially being left for dead or

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of Africa population in there as well

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and so so don't you think these people

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in Massachusetts no no I mean when you

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say is a population in that in that area

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right right in there in the in the

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Triangle oh yeah in fault Fall River and

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in New Bedford there's a high I'm kind

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of it's sloping my mind right now it's

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the it's that little island that's off

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of Africa that's kind of flipping my

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mind right now what it's called but it

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is a a deep tradition of Voodoo and of

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Santeria and some people believe that a

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lot of these zoom-out zombies that are

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supposedly seen in the forest especially

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the Freetown State Forest are attributed

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to that and other people just thinks

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it's drugged-out people who have been

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left and dumped so their life is they're

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wandering around and eating flesh I'm

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not so much eating flesh but people have

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definitely reported being stalked by

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people who seem to have zoned out eyes

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they have been if you come over next

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I live in Florida like that and I think

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what I I think the way that these people

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describe them as being looked as if

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they'd just been dug up along with this

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kind of zoned out trance look in the

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middle of

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no we're we're talking about a forest

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that is really not accessible or it's

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not like there are people at night who

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are just kind of running around and it's

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heavily populated so to see something as

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disturbing is that with no kind of means

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of where did this person come from why

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do they look really just dug up adds to

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the weirdness of it it's it's the next

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Rob Zombie movie

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well Rob Zombie lives outside or was

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born outside of the triangle but only by

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about sixty miles no way you think it

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influenced them uh well you know one of

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the things I talk about in dark woods is

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this idea that this weirdness somewhat

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shifted about their time Rob Zombie's

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coming up in the world when he's in his

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teens it shifts from his part of masses

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to best chooses Essex County about 60

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miles to Freetown where the serial

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killers that I cover or the murders I

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should cover not a serial killer

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committed his crimes I mean right

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outside of where Rob Zombie's from and

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then was convicted of this almost an

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identical crime in the Bridgewater

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triangle a lot of the crazy guys relate

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it's the crazy guy with the hat and the

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missing teeth well that's more Florida

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but I'm with you

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okay well okay so now we know that and

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people are disappearing well I mean

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there's older for a while in the 80s in

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the mid 80s

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there were a lot of prostitutes who were

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part of this case known as the highway

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the highway slayings of highway killing

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um not so much anymore they do have some

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mysterious disturbances most of the

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people who are found missing in Freetown

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now go into the forest for one reason or

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other and because it's so densely it's

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it's so dense and such a kind of jungle

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as you guys said to be out there they

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just end up missing in the woods and

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they're eventually found so not so much

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anymore but it does have a history of it

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do do people camp out

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you can't really camp out there I mean

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during the day it's like any other state

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forest you know there's there's a

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beautiful pond and there's a reflecting

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pool that kids go into and there's all

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these hiking's and it's actually the

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number one like mainland racing training

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course for Eskimos

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that's for Eskimo Dogs you know that run

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the the the big race in Alaska

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I can't wait a minute let's go it's

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actually one of the biggest and trekking

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downs for that it's got horses it's got

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everything then the Sun Goes Down and

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things get a little weirder oh and UFOs

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come out at night

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of those things where depending on where

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your mind lies in the paranormal is what

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you see that so some people see them as

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ghost lights some people see them as

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UFOs some people see them as the souls

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of the Wampanoag Native Americans who

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were killed by puck wedgies who are

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trying to entice you into the danger I

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think I think Tim don't you know about

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the puck wedgies

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oh yeah well there's supposedly a branch

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I know kissing cousins I suppose over

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the book would jeez here in Indiana oh

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my god Ezrin Indiana yes well I am okay

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Tim Beckley's in Manhattan I'm right

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here in the middle of the real zombified

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world

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last summer with tripping on legends my

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goal had been for 15 years to get to

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Indiana and I was finally able to make

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my way to Anderson Indiana for the puck

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wedgie phenomenon that's there and kind

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of connect the dots of a lot of things

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I've been looking into for the last

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decade with these oh you must have went

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into that into the Mountain State Park

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Mountain State Park yep yep and you had

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an incredible experience there oh well

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let's hear about it so we were like I

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said we went there because I you know I

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was for a while known as the puck wedgie

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guy I was one of the people who

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originally started publishing research

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on this kind of in the Internet age and

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there was a lot of information out there

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and I'd always heard about mounds and

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the book that had been published about

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that and I wanted to go out there and I

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wanted to touch that so we went out

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there with my partner Natalie and we

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designed our whole trip around ending up

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Indiana which actually her family is

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from and so we got out and we spent

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about two hours talking to one of the

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Rangers there just about all of this

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archeology and just how important mounds

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is to the Native American culture of the

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entire country that this became a

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meeting ground of tribes from all across

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the country because of its alignment

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with the Sun and different celestial

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bodies and people would come with their

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most honored dead and bury them at the

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mounds at Mound State Park and it kind

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of connected a lot of the dots we were

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talking about or that I've been thinking

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about because I've been looking into

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puck wedgies for so long and so many

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people have been approaching me with

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them even within know England they seem

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to be different they seem to have a lot

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of things in common and yet some were

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hairless and some had red hair and some

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had golden hair and I'm thinking like

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what is this wow how can maybe the puck

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wedgies and yet have all these different

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ways that they just like individuals and

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the individual species and from talking

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with her and looking into the Indiana

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ones we've discovered that the this term

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puck was you became almost like a an

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umbrella term like monster mom so every

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tiny creature because they all these

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people coming together and had

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necessarily have a common language puck

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would she became almost like a sleighing

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for tiny monster and so you have the

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Mississippi you have the Delaware you

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have all these different tribes so one

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of the things and mounds is that they

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believe in fairy trees and so when they

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go and do their tours they take people

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along to these hollowed out trees that

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they you believe to be fairy trees and

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so as we were making our way through the

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park we we came upon a whole bunch of

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these especially in the mountains and

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the circles and we were walking back and

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we were probably maybe about a hundred

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feet from a hollowed-out tree and we

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were looking on the ground and there

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were all these crab apples and they had

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these like little weird bites out of

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them and one of the things that Tim puck

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wedgy Laura like I was saying are these

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type high wonka's and they kind of look

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like balls of light like orbs but orbs

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you seen with your eyes not just with

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cameras and as we're kind of watching

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we're looking and there's something

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there's a shadow in the woods we can't

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quite make it out and then all of a

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sudden it's just a burst of Firefly

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so I can legitimately say these look

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like fireflies they didn't look like

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anything else but then all of a sudden

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the fireflies lined up in a direct line

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to this tree hmm

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so we start the video we're walking down

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into it I'm kind of going a little bit

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further than her we're watching it we're

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watching these these these fireflies

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pretty much being entirely straight line

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we hear a rustle and it's going kind of

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like towards where she is we're seeing

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this shadow and I look at her and I've

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got it and all of a sudden of nowhere

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burst this absolutely huge and

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absolutely beautiful red deer out of

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nowhere

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Pop's stares of us looks at us takes off

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and disappears as it kind goes into the

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road like physically can watch it and it

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just kind of disappears and we should be

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able to see it like go over the road but

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it doesn't like almost as it when it

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hits the edge of the forest it dissolves

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and we've stood there and we're like

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okay we can make we can make logical

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sense out of everything that just

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happened everything just happened we are

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not deer people we do not know the

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action so deers we don't know how they

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yeah it could have been just really

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still cuz I guess that's what deer do

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you know I'm a city kid so I'm like all

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right and yet both of us profoundly felt

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that we've been touched by something and

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then we just felt this very natural

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sense of we've given you what you've

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traveled all this way for you guys can

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go back to Florida now I mean it was

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this very clear thing of like well we

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can go like things are done like we just

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experienced something they allowed us to

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experience something and now it's time

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for us to move on to the next legend wow

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that's a great story it would be even

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better if I didn't get home with that

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information my daughter put a password

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on her on her old cell phone which was I

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was easy as a backup camera and it's all

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completely lost oh you're just gonna

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have to take my word for it but I'm a

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respectable man right like I sound

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trustworthy oh my gosh that's see that's

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the that's the trickster element that's

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give us the Experian and that's kind of

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like we're tripping and legend says give

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us the experience but bring back

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absolutely no proof or anyone else cuz

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when you're talking about legend

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tripping you're talking about folklore

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it doesn't need to be proven it just has

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to be experienced that's right that's

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right I love that all right well we're

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gonna have to go to our first break of

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the evening so when we come back we'll

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bring a rod into the conversation on

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exploring the bazaar so stay tuned for

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more now back to exploring the bazaar

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with two of the most electrifying

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researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

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Timothy Becca Lee and tastes alright

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welcome back to exploring the bazaar and

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our guest tonight we had christopher

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bohse aldo I got just having trouble

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talking tonight Tim and now that other

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voice you heard is is our friend Ross Oh

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rah how are you doing tonight hey Tim

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how's it going to him it's today unless

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you're being back you're on KCUR Tina

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thank you for having me on as well

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all right so raw I guess that as you and

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Tim were discussing that during our

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break you have an interesting story for

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us but I guess that Christopher reminded

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you of yeah you know just wool and what

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he was talking about it as well Tim you

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know all of us you know especially the

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ones that take interest into these these

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stories in the occult or paranormal you

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know all of our DNA whether it's

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inactivated or dormant for right now

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it's it's imprinted with the knowledge

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of sacred sites ancient mysteries

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stargates hidden hidden knowledge that

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that just been Spencer spread a

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suppressed and and almost like edited

540
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:41,110
out of our consciousness in a way over

541
00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:43,090
the last few generations but it's in

542
00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:45,100
there just laying dormant waiting to be

543
00:24:52,210 --> 00:24:47,500
activated waiting to be sparked and you

544
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:52,220
know most sacred woods forest

545
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:55,010
these stones they're so ancient that

546
00:24:59,260 --> 00:24:56,510
they've been imprinted with so much

547
00:25:01,870 --> 00:24:59,270
energy on this planet certain areas that

548
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:01,880
you know it's almost impossible not if

549
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,880
you're an intuitive or if you're you

550
00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:07,760
know aware or if you've had any kind of

551
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:09,740
energy work in your life it's almost

552
00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:11,450
impossible not to feel these energies

553
00:25:17,169 --> 00:25:14,030
around you especially if you're on some

554
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:17,179
sort of a dragon line or magnetic line

555
00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:19,370
you know on our planet these energy

556
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:21,260
points where just you'll feel that

557
00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:23,210
electric magnetic pulse up your spine

558
00:25:26,919 --> 00:25:25,100
and tingling all around you this is

559
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:26,929
where these these energies in these

560
00:25:33,610 --> 00:25:30,320
things get activated you know III don't

561
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:33,620
tend to say I have any answers or I know

562
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:35,210
it all but I have caught little glimpses

563
00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:36,890
in my life and one thing I do know Tim

564
00:25:42,669 --> 00:25:40,100
is we are in a multi-layered environment

565
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:42,679
almost like a simulated reality and even

566
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,650
my the ancients in Italy in my lineage

567
00:25:49,930 --> 00:25:47,600
they even knew that we we are living in

568
00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:49,940
a shadow of another reality we are in

569
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:52,820
some sort of simulated experience here

570
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:55,610
you know and and codes and formulas

571
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,350
activate certain things within this

572
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:59,600
multi universe that are just amazing and

573
00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:02,480
you know when he was talking about these

574
00:26:06,490 --> 00:26:04,220
these woods and how they were activate

575
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:06,500
certain energies you know that's what

576
00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:07,610
that's what's happening here it's an

577
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:11,000
interdimensional you know and yeah you

578
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:14,510
know I think when Carl Sagan wrote that

579
00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:16,610
book dragons of Eden he was trying to

580
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:18,700
make believe that all sorts of things

581
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,110
from the past might have just been

582
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,360
dinosaurs or something like this but I

583
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:25,520
think he was being a little naive and

584
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:27,890
not taking an account interdimensional

585
00:26:32,529 --> 00:26:30,530
entities or astral dragons or or these

586
00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:32,539
sort of creatures that that activate in

587
00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:34,460
these sacred woods or in these forests

588
00:26:39,159 --> 00:26:36,860
like our our guest was saying earlier in

589
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,169
this destroying GLE you know where where

590
00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:42,320
my family is from in Lake nemi in in

591
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:45,260
Italy this is a sacred woods that even

592
00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:47,330
Hollywood that we see in California is

593
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:49,880
modeled after today the holy woods the

594
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:52,850
the nemi Lake nemi nemi's is the Nemus

595
00:26:58,270 --> 00:26:55,130
the holy woods you know this is a sacred

596
00:27:01,020 --> 00:26:58,280
forest where all sorts of entities exist

597
00:27:05,410 --> 00:27:01,030
and you know right where I live today in

598
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:05,420
the Hudson Valley in New York I have sir

599
00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:06,890
certain energies that are in the woods

600
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:10,040
that are ghostly energies that I see on

601
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,130
a monthly basis but what what on break

602
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,960
what we were loading till I went off a

603
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:17,120
little tangent the little story that you

604
00:27:20,830 --> 00:27:19,100
were talking about his um he was talking

605
00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:20,840
about on break tim was like oh

606
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:23,540
give him whiskey and and he won't feel

607
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:24,920
anything or something right you were

608
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:27,230
talking about that if somebody couldn't

609
00:27:31,390 --> 00:27:28,490
have an operation they would just give

610
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:31,400
him whiskey right yeah what I'm having

611
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:34,430
the the pacemaker put recharged on

612
00:27:41,770 --> 00:27:37,450
Tuesday and the Medicare takes care of

613
00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:41,780
the $15,000 a hospital bill but I got to

614
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,030
come up with the $500 for the anesthesia

615
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:47,840
so we're gonna do a GoFundMe page to

616
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:52,880
come up with a bottle of whiskey they

617
00:27:56,020 --> 00:27:54,350
would just give him whiskey back in the

618
00:27:58,780 --> 00:27:56,030
day that's what reminded me of this

619
00:28:01,020 --> 00:27:58,790
story Tim it was funny we have this

620
00:28:04,060 --> 00:28:01,030
ancient Church in Italy called the the

621
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:04,070
santa maria maggiore the maria maggiore

622
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:05,450
church right it's a really ancient

623
00:28:10,060 --> 00:28:06,890
church one of the most beautiful

624
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:10,070
churches in in Italy but it's also one

625
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:12,560
of the most haunted in Italy right so

626
00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:14,870
this church is linked all the way back

627
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:17,960
you know to thousands of years they

628
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,080
remodeled it a few times and then in the

629
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,320
third in 1300 and this is said to almost

630
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:26,320
have have brought the Inquisition on

631
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:29,210
the Visconti family was gonna elect a

632
00:28:33,070 --> 00:28:31,220
man Fred of his County as the first

633
00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:33,080
female Pope and she was going to be

634
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:35,030
ushered in as the first female Pope in

635
00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:39,290
the Maria Maggio a church so they ended

636
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:41,000
up burning her alive as a heretic and

637
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:43,490
brought the Inquisition on to sort of

638
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:46,070
like eliminate women and don't let women

639
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:48,170
become powerful and all of this that was

640
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:49,850
one of the reasons why it sparked but

641
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:52,130
she is said to haunt this Maria Maggio a

642
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:53,870
church right so there's another

643
00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:55,490
interesting story that goes along with

644
00:28:59,260 --> 00:28:57,320
this debt that is goes along with your

645
00:29:02,620 --> 00:28:59,270
little story about give him a bottle of

646
00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:02,630
whiskey is that supposedly a long time

647
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:05,420
ago when the church had a big stone

648
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:08,090
steeple at the top and a bell tower

649
00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:10,760
there was this friar at the top and he

650
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:12,440
was poking his head out of the hole in

651
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,590
the top of the at the top of the church

652
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:18,080
wears a little stone hole in the top of

653
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:19,220
the steeple and he was

654
00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:20,450
looking down at a parade of people

655
00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:22,940
walking below and you know this is an

656
00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:25,070
old Florence now this is old-school

657
00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:27,950
Italy you know and and he sees a parade

658
00:29:32,830 --> 00:29:29,960
of people and he realizes it's a man who

659
00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:32,840
was a sorcerer or a magician being led

660
00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:36,470
to his death by a group of soldiers so

661
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:38,150
he says in Italian I'm not gonna say it

662
00:29:41,890 --> 00:29:39,830
in Italian oh I'll say it in English but

663
00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:41,900
it basically translate he looked down to

664
00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:43,159
them he pokes his head out of the hole

665
00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:45,500
and he looks down at him he goes give to

666
00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:47,720
get the guy drunk and he and he won't

667
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:49,549
die you know that's what it translates

668
00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:51,530
to what he means was is is give the guy

669
00:29:55,149 --> 00:29:53,150
a drink and he won't feel his death he

670
00:29:56,890 --> 00:29:55,159
won't feel his execution ready or he

671
00:29:58,899 --> 00:29:56,900
won't feel the pain give him a drink he

672
00:30:01,779 --> 00:29:58,909
won't feel the pain of his death right

673
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:01,789
so when he said this to the guy the the

674
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:04,070
the guy looked up at him and kind of

675
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:05,630
hexed him and said you know I hope you

676
00:30:10,930 --> 00:30:09,289
get stuck there where you are no he you

677
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:10,940
know he gave him a little we call it a

678
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:12,710
Jetta or a when you when you look at

679
00:30:16,299 --> 00:30:14,360
somebody sort of hexton give him that

680
00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:16,309
malocchio that that evil eye you can

681
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,720
sort of look at him in hexam and he said

682
00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:19,039
I hope you get stuck where you are and

683
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:21,169
then they walked off so the fryer

684
00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:22,820
watched him walk off and then he went to

685
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:24,470
go remove his head out of the hole and

686
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:26,600
he couldn't get his head out of the hole

687
00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:29,570
in stone and it said that he ended up

688
00:30:33,970 --> 00:30:31,280
dying there they couldn't get him out of

689
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:33,980
that hole in the in the stone and they

690
00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:35,690
ended up having to remove his body and

691
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:37,070
his head got stuck there and ended up

692
00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:39,110
getting petrified in the rock and they

693
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:40,700
say you could still see pieces of that

694
00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:43,070
stone today in part of that church and

695
00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:44,929
you know there's there's so many stories

696
00:30:49,299 --> 00:30:46,789
that goes along with that that motor II

697
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:49,309
imagine a church and the hauntings of

698
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:51,950
old Italy it's it's really amazing but

699
00:30:54,909 --> 00:30:53,390
when you said give him some whiskey it

700
00:30:56,830 --> 00:30:54,919
reminded me of that story like give him

701
00:31:01,330 --> 00:30:56,840
a drink he won't feel the pain you know

702
00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:01,340
I think with Tim it would be more like

703
00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:02,780
vodka

704
00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:11,740
that was my favorite drink for eight

705
00:31:16,210 --> 00:31:13,820
years that I'm supposed to cut down on

706
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:16,220
the drinking now but you know whatever

707
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:18,980
they tell me to do you know not to do or

708
00:31:24,909 --> 00:31:23,630
whatever I do what I want man you've

709
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:24,919
been through so much already nothing's

710
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:27,860
gonna keep ya yeah you bet I besides I'm

711
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:30,289
working out about seven books you know I

712
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:33,050
mean we got alien

713
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:36,650
alien bases booked we got what Maria

714
00:31:43,030 --> 00:31:38,510
Deandra is doing on how to pick a

715
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:43,040
familiar and Maria I've had a pickup

716
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:45,710
familiar and we got two books by Scott

717
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:46,850
Tucker

718
00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:49,850
Corrales one is the shadow kingdom and

719
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:52,360
the other one is the humanoid

720
00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:55,520
conspiracies now I love that title yeah

721
00:32:00,850 --> 00:31:58,190
well we gotta talk books you know in the

722
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:00,860
making as well as especially my friend

723
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:03,320
Jorge martini to translate some of his

724
00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:05,330
books that he wrote in Spanish okay oh

725
00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:08,540
yes surely yeah and you know even though

726
00:32:12,850 --> 00:32:10,160
our guest that was on your guest that

727
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:12,860
was on the show in the first segment you

728
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:14,270
know he should really check out the El

729
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:19,820
Yunque rainforest as well a lot of a lot

730
00:32:25,780 --> 00:32:21,710
of strange stories about that well there

731
00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:25,790
are in fact in the alien bases a book

732
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:29,300
we've got about I think 25 or 35 places

733
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:32,570
where their UFO hot spots or even more

734
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:34,550
than hot spots because they seem to

735
00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:37,730
exist on a parallel you know dimension

736
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:39,680
something something is going on and

737
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:41,720
that's for darn sure

738
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:44,450
but yeah it's been a while since you've

739
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,810
been on the the the show here so you

740
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:50,480
must have had some things going on in

741
00:32:56,170 --> 00:32:53,210
your own life you've done a bit of

742
00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:56,180
traveling or well yeah well not

743
00:33:01,540 --> 00:32:57,860
traveling but I recently had a baby a

744
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:01,550
year ago and and yeah it's amazing but

745
00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:03,050
you know last time I was on the show we

746
00:33:08,350 --> 00:33:05,000
we we didn't we really didn't get into

747
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:08,360
any specifics about my experiences and

748
00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:09,410
stuff I think it would be really

749
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:12,440
interesting to talk about some let's

750
00:33:17,410 --> 00:33:15,710
let's let's get that right now yeah

751
00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:17,420
especially some of my viewings of

752
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:20,750
recently as well and ha you know Tim you

753
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:22,910
you know you were talking about your

754
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:25,220
most recent book and it made me think of

755
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:27,890
one of my mentors dr. Leo Luis Martello

756
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:31,550
and I've been having a lot of dreams of

757
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:34,010
him recently he coming to me and my

758
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:36,050
dreams and us from Italian lineage we

759
00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:37,820
believe that we get taught the ancient

760
00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:40,400
mysteries in our dreams and we are dream

761
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:42,140
seers and we sort of could heal in our

762
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:44,570
dreams and get information in our

763
00:33:48,909 --> 00:33:46,460
dreams and I've been having a lot of

764
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:48,919
visions for the last couple years of not

765
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:52,220
only giants but um giants in some sort

766
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,190
of stasis some sort of crystal pyramids

767
00:34:00,909 --> 00:33:58,159
beneath the ground and it's it's led me

768
00:34:03,129 --> 00:34:00,919
to all sorts of megalithic sites and

769
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,139
researching megalithic sites and and

770
00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:05,120
some of my experiences that I've had

771
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:07,880
when I was a kid it's starting to start

772
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:09,649
to make sense now that I'm 40 years old

773
00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:13,280
and you know when I was younger um when

774
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:15,740
I was born I was born with the caul

775
00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:18,409
still on me and and the umbilical cord

776
00:34:24,339 --> 00:34:21,500
to ancients this is known as a sign of a

777
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:24,349
seer you know someone who is to be a

778
00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:26,810
shaman and and when you're born that way

779
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:28,940
it's it's supposed to be a mark and I

780
00:34:33,609 --> 00:34:31,010
when I was born I had this mark inside

781
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:33,619
of my eye this bright red birthmark that

782
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,050
my having my baby pictures my parents

783
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:38,960
got it removed surgically and this is

784
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:40,490
also supposed to be the mark of a seer

785
00:34:46,419 --> 00:34:43,129
and Genghis Khan had one of these marks

786
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,429
and mom in his palm it was a bright red

787
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:50,000
birthmark like almost like a blood clot

788
00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:52,609
like bright red and when they saw it in

789
00:34:59,410 --> 00:34:55,550
his palm the shaman knew that that he

790
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,420
was going to be not only a shaman but a

791
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:01,520
great warrior murderer you know they

792
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:04,130
knew it was a sign of greatness and when

793
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:06,530
they saw it in his palm they knew you

794
00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:08,660
know and Genghis Khan wasn't just a

795
00:35:16,059 --> 00:35:13,849
murderer he was also you know a sky God

796
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:16,069
you know he went to the mountains and

797
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:18,859
downloaded information on a daily basis

798
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:21,260
and and he was known to a like a god to

799
00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:23,089
his people you know and it said even

800
00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:25,460
that whoever owns Genghis Khan's bones

801
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:27,500
will rule the world and there's been a

802
00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:29,630
prophecy about his bones for a long time

803
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:32,900
so shaman are known to be born with this

804
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:34,760
mark and I was born with this mark and

805
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:36,710
you know I think the negative

806
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:39,890
programming from you know our physical

807
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:42,800
life and you know parents and and

808
00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:43,910
everything that we go through with

809
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:45,319
school we start to lose some of our

810
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:47,569
abilities and and some of our you know

811
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:49,250
things that happen to us over time

812
00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:51,470
that's why if if people if you have

813
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:53,420
children and they're starting to talk

814
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:55,130
about dragons or starting to talk about

815
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:55,730
this

816
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,170
don't tell them tell them that they

817
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:58,400
don't exist don't tell them

818
00:36:01,450 --> 00:35:59,210
don't tell them that because

819
00:36:01,779 --> 00:36:01,460
subconsciously they'll edit that out of

820
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:01,789
there

821
00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:03,260
they'll program that out of their

822
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:04,700
consciousness and they'll they'll get

823
00:36:08,529 --> 00:36:06,799
disconnected from it because at the

824
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:08,539
young age I started having a lot of

825
00:36:14,019 --> 00:36:12,140
experiences with with weird things that

826
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,029
now that I'm looking back at I could see

827
00:36:17,769 --> 00:36:16,400
that we're in some sort of simulated

828
00:36:20,769 --> 00:36:17,779
experience some sort of holographic

829
00:36:22,779 --> 00:36:20,779
universe because when I was about five

830
00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:22,789
years old I started getting really bad

831
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:25,190
ear aches and I was like getting

832
00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:27,170
attracted to the electricity in my house

833
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,750
and I was touching the walls a lot and I

834
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:32,000
was going to the TV a lot and I was

835
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:33,890
getting ear aches and I would feel this

836
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:37,490
humming and when this would happen a lot

837
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:39,140
of times all of a sudden I would I would

838
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:42,730
be talking to these these black little

839
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:45,710
staticky beings but I always seemed out

840
00:36:49,299 --> 00:36:46,970
of the corner of my eye and they would

841
00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:49,309
come in threes and I would they were

842
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:51,380
like imaginary friends to my mom and I

843
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:52,970
would be playing GI Joes with them

844
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:55,250
talking to them all of this stuff and

845
00:36:59,859 --> 00:36:58,130
all the every time they would come I

846
00:37:01,000 --> 00:36:59,869
would be happy I would I would go with

847
00:37:02,349 --> 00:37:01,010
them and then when they would leave I

848
00:37:04,089 --> 00:37:02,359
would get an earache and I would go to

849
00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:04,099
school the next day I would have to go

850
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:05,660
home sick because my ear in the ear

851
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:07,010
would hurt and I couldn't wait to go

852
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:09,710
home to see my friends so my ear ache

853
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:11,990
would go away and as soon as I would

854
00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:14,210
feel that little hum in the walls I knew

855
00:37:17,799 --> 00:37:15,829
they were coming and I could see them in

856
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:17,809
the side of my eyes and they were like

857
00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:20,569
like shadow little black shadows but

858
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:23,390
they were like staticky and they would

859
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:24,920
always come to me and I would be talking

860
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:26,660
to them playing GI Joes having all these

861
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:30,470
things and then one day they took me

862
00:37:35,789 --> 00:37:34,010
from and lured me to behind the TV and

863
00:37:38,859 --> 00:37:35,799
this was the only time I ever saw them

864
00:37:42,099 --> 00:37:38,869
up close they were like in and out of

865
00:37:44,019 --> 00:37:42,109
existence blinging at in and out and she

866
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:44,029
they looked at me and they liked the

867
00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:46,250
wires picked up a behind the TV and they

868
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,380
told me bite bite these and you could be

869
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:50,720
with us forever just bite these wires

870
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:52,420
and you could come with us forever and

871
00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:54,890
when they did this I immediately like

872
00:37:58,990 --> 00:37:56,990
fight like flight it was like the fear

873
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:59,000
set in and I ran upstairs and grabbed my

874
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,920
mom grabbed her around the ankles and

875
00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:03,200
she went berserk told me never to talk

876
00:38:07,539 --> 00:38:05,420
about that again go crazy and at that

877
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,549
moment they they went out of existence

878
00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:09,680
they she I don't know if she willed them

879
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:11,750
away or I subconsciously wanted to

880
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,180
please

881
00:38:17,059 --> 00:38:14,940
mother but I knew it was evil she knew

882
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:17,069
it was evil and at that moment it kind

883
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:19,650
of went away but I talked to this this

884
00:38:24,799 --> 00:38:23,369
uh this girl that has a show dark

885
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:24,809
I think it's dark files or something

886
00:38:28,819 --> 00:38:27,150
like that on TV Amy I was gonna have her

887
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:28,829
on my radio show but then when we had

888
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,270
her on the Skype went berserk she

889
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:32,280
couldn't get on Tim she's almost had

890
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:35,490
that same exact experience and you know

891
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,380
that I've known some people since I've

892
00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:40,140
shared my experiences that have emailed

893
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:41,670
me and said that they actually bit the

894
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:43,710
wires behind the TV and they have scars

895
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:46,770
coming out of their their lip from

896
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:48,300
biting the wires and they don't know why

897
00:38:51,799 --> 00:38:49,800
they ever bit the wires when they were a

898
00:38:55,549 --> 00:38:51,809
kid but it almost killed them so like

899
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,559
these little experiences I feel that my

900
00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:57,480
DNA you know I come from this ancient

901
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:00,150
lineage where they've been protecting

902
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,130
knowledge about portals in Lake nemi and

903
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:04,680
all these ancient mysteries with with

904
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,410
shaman and seers and psychics somewhere

905
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,900
in my DNA these these entities I think

906
00:39:14,839 --> 00:39:11,760
were attached as knowledge that was in

907
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,849
in me within my blood within my within

908
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:16,680
me and I think that since I was young

909
00:39:20,359 --> 00:39:18,990
they've been drawn to me even when I was

910
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:20,369
younger the Church of Satan tried to

911
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:23,700
kidnap me as a kid they were trying to

912
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:25,079
pull me in the van they were Ted yelling

913
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,150
at my mother at the store the Church of

914
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:29,160
Satan needs your son and we just thought

915
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,839
they were crazy kids but now looking

916
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:32,940
back to it and after certain experiences

917
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,460
I've had later on in life I realized

918
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:37,680
what what has happened you know that you

919
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,730
know there's certain military certain

920
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,020
covens out there we call them [\h__\h]

921
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:45,839
Olsen in Italian that are literally

922
00:39:50,809 --> 00:39:48,660
looking for certain bloodlines and our

923
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:50,819
world I know it sounds a little doom and

924
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:54,210
gloom but our world is under a virus a

925
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:57,240
mind virus and there's some sort of

926
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,160
quantum intelligence that has

927
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:02,640
infiltrated our our our world our very

928
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,609
DNA and I feel that that's that the very

929
00:40:10,579 --> 00:40:07,680
Nakash the very serpent in the Garden of

930
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:10,589
Eden was literally a virus that invaded

931
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:14,579
our mind long ago and you know it made

932
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,230
us heavy it made us pushed into matter

933
00:40:22,099 --> 00:40:19,200
it meters into this realm and there are

934
00:40:23,539 --> 00:40:22,109
literal disembodied spirits you know

935
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:23,549
that are that are entwining

936
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:26,550
with our minds and and being able

937
00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:28,830
- literally infect people with a with a

938
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:31,620
virus and and that's what I think what's

939
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:33,720
going on on this planet but with ghosts

940
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,820
and this and that and I think we our

941
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:37,560
world is literally being terraformed

942
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:40,170
while while we while we're all going

943
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:42,270
about our daily lives and what's going

944
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:44,310
on our minds in our world are being

945
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:47,130
terraformed by an by an unseen invisible

946
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,940
you know world i beings that that you

947
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:52,800
know you you will have contact with if

948
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,020
you have some sort of experiences in and

949
00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:56,640
you're able to open your mind and shed

950
00:41:03,280 --> 00:40:59,490
your ego you'll say I like you I like

951
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,290
your expression Tech terraformed yeah

952
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:06,000
you know there's there's these did an

953
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,740
invisible world even though this year

954
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:09,720
baba Vanga would talk about these

955
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:12,300
invisible beings that that would give

956
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:14,700
her you know knowledge and and you know

957
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:16,770
there's when I had my near-death

958
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:18,330
experience when I was nine years old

959
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:20,580
they had to operate on me and saved my

960
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,300
life

961
00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:23,940
after that I I kind of knew there was

962
00:41:29,330 --> 00:41:26,430
these certain postures I could take

963
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:29,340
certain gestures I could make that would

964
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:31,830
activate these beings within my psyche

965
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:34,290
Tim and Italian we call them the grigory

966
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:36,510
you know I know the Kabbalah they'll

967
00:41:43,220 --> 00:41:41,070
call them like you know Archangels or

968
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:43,230
whatever you know and in Christianity

969
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,850
they'll call them Watchers or fallen

970
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:47,220
angels but these invisible entities

971
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,350
they're their ancient Watchers you know

972
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:51,420
they're there the Persians would call

973
00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:52,680
them like the eyes of the night like

974
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:54,270
they're literally the stars looking down

975
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:56,550
but I think that we are being invaded by

976
00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:58,890
an ancient consciousness you know the

977
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:01,320
the Giants that once roamed our our

978
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,530
world that cannibalistic occult

979
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,200
energy is making us interact with the

980
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,240
elemental forces on our planet in a

981
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:11,520
completely negative way we're supposed

982
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:14,310
to live in harmony with our our world in

983
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,690
its environment we're not supposed to

984
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,700
interact with the elements to get more

985
00:42:22,070 --> 00:42:19,440
powers and when you start doing

986
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:22,080
sacrifices and start doing all these sex

987
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,210
rituals to get more powers you're

988
00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:26,160
interacting with the elemental forces in

989
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:28,470
a negative way and our world has been

990
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:31,710
infected with that virus the elites have

991
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:33,750
been infected with that virus and it has

992
00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:36,030
activated all these hauntings and all

993
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:37,740
these disembodied energies that have

994
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:39,690
used that you see everywhere you know

995
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,770
stones

996
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:42,960
they collect energy they're like vaults

997
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:46,410
and entries there you know literally

998
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:47,970
like they're they have an ORAC field

999
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:50,310
very similar to humans and and they are

1000
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,550
keeping alive the very pain that we

1001
00:42:59,720 --> 00:42:56,400
inject into this planet Tim you know so

1002
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,730
when we see this these these hauntings

1003
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:01,440
and all of this Energy's we're we're

1004
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,869
literally creating it you know with with

1005
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:05,520
our past president future all

1006
00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:09,480
simultaneously spinning as where we're

1007
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:11,600
living in this breathe machine you know

1008
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,040
it's it's it's it's really interesting

1009
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:16,380
but you know I know we're gonna probably

1010
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:20,130
go into break in a minute but well we're

1011
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:23,010
we're hovering we're hovering there with

1012
00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:26,190
a few minutes to to go hey you know four

1013
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:29,100
minutes yeah Timmy didn't you

1014
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:30,930
investigate some cases where you talk

1015
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:33,990
about odors and then things and you had

1016
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:37,920
them in that the supernatural America

1017
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:43,440
book oh yeah I mean the streams like

1018
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:46,470
gassings or odors or I mean it's even

1019
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:49,140
gone into the modern times with you know

1020
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:50,790
what they for a while they called them

1021
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,670
sick buildings where you know all of a

1022
00:43:58,070 --> 00:43:56,040
sudden people in office buildings would

1023
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,080
just for no apparent reason just drop

1024
00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:00,480
sometimes they would complain that you

1025
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:02,190
know they they would smell kind of an

1026
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:02,940
odd odor

1027
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,640
but then you know people would just

1028
00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:07,680
suddenly start fading getting sick

1029
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:11,550
passing out this is happening in the

1030
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:21,390
subway today all day yeah yeah the MTA

1031
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:23,970
is the workers are passing out they they

1032
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:26,250
had to take a couple of them to the to

1033
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:29,570
the hospital and even the some of the

1034
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:32,220
the writers have said that they're you

1035
00:44:36,830 --> 00:44:33,720
know they couldn't stand being down in

1036
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:36,840
the in the subway and they have no rest

1037
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:39,090
well they said it's not it's not toxic

1038
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,050
it's all right if you throw up well you

1039
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,960
know if if this is something similar to

1040
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:50,700
you know these other cases that I worked

1041
00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:52,950
on I mean now everybody will you know

1042
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:53,830
they'll talk about

1043
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:55,840
well but then they'll never really find

1044
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:00,420
any you know real cause of you know what

1045
00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:02,550
what started it all

1046
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:06,100
yeah well you know it's very interesting

1047
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:08,500
because even smells

1048
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:10,870
you know smells is is part of what III

1049
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:13,120
think is like time travel if you can

1050
00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:16,450
sort of lock on to an ancient smell that

1051
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:19,870
was in the air the vibration you know of

1052
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:21,790
that very moment the smell that was in

1053
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:23,350
the air at that moment what people were

1054
00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:24,700
wearing on the street the very

1055
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:27,100
atmosphere at that very place in time

1056
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:29,410
you can lock on to the vibration of that

1057
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:31,510
moment and pretty much time travel to

1058
00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:33,460
there that's how we remote view you know

1059
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:36,280
you sort of lock on to the vibration of

1060
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:38,050
that that place in time because it's all

1061
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:42,370
running simultaneously you know do we

1062
00:45:47,730 --> 00:45:43,960
I'll have another time back on tonight

1063
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:47,740
right so of course yeah we have another

1064
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,150
hour both both you and Chris or you know

1065
00:45:57,870 --> 00:45:54,640
part of the show from from now on to

1066
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:57,880
where we go off at at midnight so we've

1067
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:00,700
got we've got about a minute left so you

1068
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:02,260
go ahead and finish your thought if you

1069
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:03,880
want to you can stay out till three

1070
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:07,900
o'clock in the morning of course nobody

1071
00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:12,370
will hear you over the years I'd be out

1072
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,580
a couple of a couple of shows and and

1073
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:17,200
they'd be you know like supposed to get

1074
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:19,660
our closest face down at midnight and

1075
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,430
somebody say we're getting you know we

1076
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:24,400
got seven calls so far three of which

1077
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:25,990
with a producer and you know this guy's

1078
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:31,870
against voice or something but because

1079
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:33,370
you know we even even an Italian

1080
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:35,890
folklore we have the the men in black we

1081
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:39,250
call the cabin era which are on you know

1082
00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:41,590
these these black hooded beings that

1083
00:46:46,350 --> 00:46:44,230
would sort of scout villages for people

1084
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:46,360
that would would be doing witchcraft and

1085
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:49,090
have experiences and okay well I'll hold

1086
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:50,620
that thought because we have to go to

1087
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:53,410
our top of the arab rope attack when we

1088
00:46:57,420 --> 00:46:55,000
come back we'll bring christopher back

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00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:57,430
on and raw of course on exploring the

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explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:23,760
ghosts Lost Worlds

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00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:26,140
cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy Begley and team

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sports alright welcome back to the

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second hour of exploring the bizarre I'm

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00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:48,570
Tim Swardson some night our guests

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00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:49,870
Christopher

1104
00:48:01,850 --> 00:47:53,380
bizarro and rah Castellano die say that

1105
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:01,860
wrong so uh Chris this cast aldo gustado

1106
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:05,590
although yes I'll just call I'll just

1107
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:13,470
say we're off from now on so uh Chris I

1108
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:15,640
see that okay

1109
00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:21,850
on top of your paranormal interest you

1110
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:24,550
have a background and and I do and and

1111
00:48:30,270 --> 00:48:28,030
you still are a folklorist my correct oh

1112
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:30,280
man that's actually primarily I'm a

1113
00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:32,290
folklorist primarily folklorist okay

1114
00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:34,420
yeah all right so and I want to I want

1115
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:37,900
to talk about that because I find that

1116
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:41,640
fascinating especially when you know

1117
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:44,970
folklorist really becomes involved in

1118
00:48:49,830 --> 00:48:47,890
researching and writing about the

1119
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,840
paranormal because I think a lot of

1120
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:52,960
people's perception is that if you're a

1121
00:48:58,890 --> 00:48:56,110
folklorist then you're gonna look at

1122
00:49:00,120 --> 00:48:58,900
this stuff you know the paranormal stuff

1123
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,130
or maybe some of the more you know

1124
00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:03,520
fantastic elements in folklore as being

1125
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:06,760
fictional all right does that make does

1126
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:09,760
that make sense but it's one of the

1127
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:12,550
things that you know I I was doing

1128
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:13,720
something over the summer and I

1129
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:17,770
contacted a professor in North Carolina

1130
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:19,180
so we're going to North Carolina want to

1131
00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:19,980
check out something

1132
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:22,230
and he sent back a one-line response

1133
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:25,020
which was this is not how research is

1134
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:27,930
conducted and then you know that and and

1135
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,849
the thing that I'm finding out and I was

1136
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:31,800
working with with the dr. Kidd also out

1137
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:35,369
of North Carolina and she she's kind of

1138
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:38,690
one of the pioneers of a new breed of

1139
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:42,180
folklore which doesn't which completely

1140
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:43,770
embraces the paranormal side of things

1141
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:46,710
it's ridiculous if if folklore is the

1142
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,089
voice of the people

1143
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:50,400
it's ridiculous to tell that story

1144
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:52,710
without touching the paranormal because

1145
00:49:59,780 --> 00:49:56,609
so much of people's daily lives involves

1146
00:50:01,970 --> 00:49:59,790
their understanding of the world around

1147
00:50:03,859 --> 00:50:01,980
them the supernatural the paranormal the

1148
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,869
superstitions things like that that

1149
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,880
really molds who people are and so you

1150
00:50:11,810 --> 00:50:08,720
can't separate it and you can't say that

1151
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:11,820
you know looking into so I'm not I'm not

1152
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,859
tracking down Paul Bunyan here right is

1153
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:18,960
is the ghostly folklore so it's kind of

1154
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,480
these paranormal things I take that

1155
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:23,730
paranormal background that I have and I

1156
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:26,819
apply it to the ghostly folklore you

1157
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:28,410
know specifically of Florida because I'm

1158
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:30,540
here but then kind of how it connects to

1159
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:32,130
all these other things and and you know

1160
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:33,359
it was really interesting I just want to

1161
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:34,380
say because I was listening to rock

1162
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:38,460
talking and and I was inspired to some

1163
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,720
degree or some connections were made

1164
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,540
because so many so much of the folklore

1165
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,700
and so many of the stories that I've

1166
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,560
been looking into recently involve

1167
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,200
forests or places that used to be forced

1168
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:51,599
for places they used to be much more

1169
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:53,609
connected to their natural setting which

1170
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:54,630
of course would be everywhere right

1171
00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:59,280
mm-hm and all of this unexplained

1172
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:02,940
activity happens and it's really because

1173
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:04,710
we're invading this kind of area right

1174
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,050
and so what happens is we don't know

1175
00:51:10,819 --> 00:51:09,300
what that is we don't we can't

1176
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:10,829
understand it we don't have this filter

1177
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:12,270
to process that

1178
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:14,550
so we fall back on the easiest story

1179
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:16,530
that we have and the easiest story that

1180
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:18,990
we have are these kind of archetypal

1181
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:22,770
ghost stories where you know it's it's

1182
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:25,530
it's haunted love but like I talked to

1183
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,540
you about off the air where it's you

1184
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:29,400
know we fall back on the story of the

1185
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:31,170
tortured lovers who can't be together so

1186
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:32,910
they commit suicide and their spirits

1187
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,960
are still there

1188
00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:36,240
or witches who have invaded the area and

1189
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:38,369
a lot of these stories that we're coming

1190
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,770
upon it's just very clear that they're

1191
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:42,540
there they attack the outside or they

1192
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,859
attack the things that they don't know

1193
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:45,420
because it's unexplained stuff is

1194
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,450
happening is the activity real is not

1195
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,400
really the question of the folklorist

1196
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:53,400
but it is the paranormal side of me and

1197
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:55,410
and the best thing I can say about it is

1198
00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:57,450
this stuff is happening we just don't

1199
00:52:00,380 --> 00:51:58,710
know what it is and so we've made up

1200
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,390
stories about it and I think the way

1201
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:02,160
what how connects to what I was talking

1202
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:06,780
about is that there is this kind of from

1203
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:09,540
our now kind of distanced place from

1204
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:12,330
nature there's this misunderstanding of

1205
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:13,950
what nature is and there's this kind of

1206
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:15,480
like tramping on grounds that we should

1207
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:17,849
be in harmony with and instead there's a

1208
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:20,130
darkness to it you know the I'm also an

1209
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,510
English teacher it's the same thing that

1210
00:52:26,260 --> 00:52:23,040
all the Romantic poets were talking

1211
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:26,270
about there's kind of this kind of not

1212
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:29,910
being in tune with the world and so but

1213
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,770
should be natural seem supernatural to

1214
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:33,900
us and what do we do we then create

1215
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:37,680
stories that put us as humans into them

1216
00:52:41,570 --> 00:52:39,720
and they almost always involve an

1217
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:41,580
outsider of the community or some kind

1218
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:43,050
of tragedy that caused this when the

1219
00:52:47,810 --> 00:52:44,730
tragedy really is we've just kind of

1220
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:47,820
forgotten stuff well that's interesting

1221
00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:53,520
because I mean you know people at one

1222
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:56,070
time I mean you know we were we were

1223
00:52:59,599 --> 00:52:58,200
part of the forest on the dark places I

1224
00:53:00,980 --> 00:52:59,609
mean you know it really in the whole

1225
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:00,990
schema thing it wasn't that long ago

1226
00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:03,990
when we fell out of the trees you know

1227
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:07,830
into you know into the into the scrub

1228
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:12,089
land so I mean why is it now we find

1229
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:15,540
ourselves feeling so so separate you

1230
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:19,440
know so apart from you know this part of

1231
00:53:25,339 --> 00:53:22,230
the world that that we should really be

1232
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,349
attached to well I think part of it has

1233
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:27,240
to do with guilt over things that we've

1234
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,609
done but a part of it has to do is like

1235
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:31,680
when you lose that connection when you

1236
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:33,930
lose that spirituality or when that

1237
00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:35,430
spirituality is replaced with something

1238
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:38,339
else that's not in tune with it you

1239
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:40,200
don't have the vocabulary to describe

1240
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:41,730
where you're seeing you know if you

1241
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:44,040
don't understand what's going on the

1242
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:47,369
stars and you don't have a connection to

1243
00:53:49,789 --> 00:53:48,059
them in a very

1244
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:49,799
harmonic way then what do you do you

1245
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:51,930
create gods that are those stars like

1246
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:53,160
those were put there for a certain

1247
00:53:56,989 --> 00:53:55,529
reason those report that and so when I

1248
00:53:59,239 --> 00:53:56,999
come across someplace that's like a

1249
00:54:00,679 --> 00:53:59,249
haunted bridge and it said that on that

1250
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,689
haunted bridge this is the story that

1251
00:54:05,179 --> 00:54:03,359
I've been researching all day today a

1252
00:54:06,289 --> 00:54:05,189
man tried to buy a love potion from a

1253
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:06,299
witch but then when he heard the price

1254
00:54:10,999 --> 00:54:09,089
was his firstborn son he killed her and

1255
00:54:12,709 --> 00:54:11,009
buried her in the swamp you know like

1256
00:54:14,299 --> 00:54:12,719
waiter down and put her into the swamp

1257
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:14,309
those are the same kind of things

1258
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:16,529
something's going on in that bridge but

1259
00:54:19,759 --> 00:54:18,059
then what are people scared of they're

1260
00:54:22,099 --> 00:54:19,769
scared of the murder who gets set free

1261
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:22,109
they're scared of the witch who comes

1262
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:23,609
into the community and I'm oh we want

1263
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:25,890
her we don't want to pay her price and

1264
00:54:31,339 --> 00:54:29,400
and she's the outsider same kind of

1265
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:31,349
fears right so all of these folk lures

1266
00:54:36,019 --> 00:54:33,930
all these folklore stories these tales

1267
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:36,029
they're all built on the things that

1268
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:37,650
we're scared of or the things that we're

1269
00:54:45,459 --> 00:54:40,890
trying to pass down and teach isn't it

1270
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:45,469
amazing though that even though you have

1271
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:49,890
societies separated not only by distance

1272
00:54:58,039 --> 00:54:54,420
but by years have the same kinds of

1273
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:58,049
stories the names this names may be

1274
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,150
different but you see these same

1275
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:01,920
elements crop up you're talking about

1276
00:55:05,989 --> 00:55:04,140
like haunted bridges you know I mean I

1277
00:55:07,999 --> 00:55:05,999
can't you know I can't tell you how many

1278
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:08,009
haunted bridges you know I've

1279
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:09,689
investigated you know over the years

1280
00:55:14,179 --> 00:55:12,630
here in the Midwest you go over to you

1281
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:14,189
know to Italy I'm sure you would find

1282
00:55:18,979 --> 00:55:17,670
the very same kinds of stories really

1283
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,989
almost the same kind of characters

1284
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:21,119
playing it arts yeah and you know when I

1285
00:55:24,169 --> 00:55:22,589
came home the first thing that I did I

1286
00:55:25,939 --> 00:55:24,179
was doing some of this you know during

1287
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:25,949
during my time off at school like my

1288
00:55:28,999 --> 00:55:27,209
prep time because it was coming to

1289
00:55:31,489 --> 00:55:29,009
sparked in my head and I came home and I

1290
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,499
just set out my kind of unique set of

1291
00:55:35,569 --> 00:55:33,900
collections right so I've got my my

1292
00:55:37,699 --> 00:55:35,579
Jewish folklore collection and I've got

1293
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:37,709
my gypsy folklore collection and then

1294
00:55:41,299 --> 00:55:39,689
I've got my my eights you know so I can

1295
00:55:43,009 --> 00:55:41,309
get my English kind of folklore in that

1296
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:43,019
my American folklore and I'm literally

1297
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:44,670
just flipping through indexes how many

1298
00:55:50,029 --> 00:55:46,910
times the word that the terms which

1299
00:55:51,949 --> 00:55:50,039
love-potion firstborn come up and it's

1300
00:55:53,539 --> 00:55:51,959
like wow this story isn't all of these

1301
00:55:55,429 --> 00:55:53,549
different things all it is is its

1302
00:55:58,339 --> 00:55:55,439
different coloring you basically take

1303
00:56:00,079 --> 00:55:58,349
you know the template which is this

1304
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:00,089
story of you have to give up your

1305
00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:01,470
firstborn you

1306
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,940
and then something goes wrong it's the

1307
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:05,220
deal that you don't want to make and and

1308
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:06,780
just decorate it with whatever culture

1309
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:08,760
you happen to be in you know and you

1310
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,230
were talking about why is why does it

1311
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:12,660
happen now still all we do is we take

1312
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:14,970
that and we strip that down and we make

1313
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,680
creeks you know creatures like

1314
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:18,900
Slenderman you know or Jeff the killer

1315
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,180
would you just modern-day versions of

1316
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,040
the old stories that people used to tell

1317
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,480
you know before there was the internet

1318
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:26,160
or before there was television before

1319
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:28,650
was these things and it's it's it's the

1320
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:31,619
now what I do is the beauty is in that

1321
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:35,180
dressing up the beauty is this story

1322
00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:37,770
that happens on this bridge is somehow

1323
00:56:41,780 --> 00:56:39,630
connected to the personality of that

1324
00:56:43,339 --> 00:56:41,790
community so what is it telling about

1325
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:43,349
the people of that society what is it

1326
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:45,000
telling about the people who are telling

1327
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:47,070
that story you know we had this really

1328
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:48,390
interesting once again another witch

1329
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:52,260
story this fog which in Hog Island and

1330
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:55,410
we went there and through a series of

1331
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,410
really kind of unusual circumstances we

1332
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:00,720
were led to this one tree in the woods

1333
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:02,790
and from that one tree in the woods we

1334
00:57:07,099 --> 00:57:04,440
saw her noose we saw her new still

1335
00:57:09,050 --> 00:57:07,109
hanging that hanging from this tree and

1336
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:09,060
the story involves a witch being hung

1337
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:10,800
well the more we looked into the history

1338
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:13,740
of the of the town and actually a few

1339
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:16,230
the more a few other haunted locations

1340
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:17,460
within there we starting to see they had

1341
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:21,570
a really sad and and yet deep history of

1342
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,089
Ku Klux Klan activity this is the south

1343
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:27,599
right and we we kind of you know put

1344
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:29,910
forth that this is kind of a you know no

1345
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,980
pun intended a whitewashing of their

1346
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:34,140
history right you can't blame it on you

1347
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,790
as people who made mistakes so all of a

1348
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:37,440
sudden these weird things that are

1349
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:39,000
happening this one section of the woods

1350
00:57:43,339 --> 00:57:41,099
that are connected somehow to hangings

1351
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:43,349
have to do with this which as opposed to

1352
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:44,730
the fact that maybe it's the spirits of

1353
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:47,010
people that you know you allowed your

1354
00:57:52,099 --> 00:57:49,500
society to hang there you know and

1355
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:52,109
that's kind of the the interesting part

1356
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:53,790
it's not just the ghost story but it's

1357
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:55,260
also what does this ghost story saying

1358
00:58:03,650 --> 00:57:59,400
about the community hmm well it did to

1359
00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:03,660
me it it also shows just really how how

1360
00:58:08,359 --> 00:58:06,060
much alike we are we all of us really

1361
00:58:10,579 --> 00:58:08,369
are I mean you know everybody loves to

1362
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:10,589
point out everybody else's differences

1363
00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:12,180
you know you're you have a different

1364
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:14,820
skin color you were born someplace else

1365
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:18,380
but you know these stories have you know

1366
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:21,540
such a close similarities that you know

1367
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:23,880
I don't think that we're really that

1368
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,090
much different than we think when you

1369
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:29,040
when you're trying to take a foreign

1370
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,170
movie and show it on different screens

1371
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,880
the easiest ones to translate or the

1372
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:34,440
horror movies why because we're all

1373
00:58:41,060 --> 00:58:38,670
scared of the same crap the same stuff

1374
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:41,070
makes us shiver the same the same you

1375
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:44,700
know a dark figure in the shadows is

1376
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,020
going to be scary no matter where you

1377
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:48,780
are or you know a small creature is

1378
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:50,490
going across your floor that you can't

1379
00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:51,330
explain

1380
00:58:55,580 --> 00:58:53,670
are gonna evoke a certain emotion in you

1381
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:55,590
no matter what culture you're from it's

1382
00:59:03,200 --> 00:58:59,250
it's it's it's why foreign horror movies

1383
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:03,210
are the best movies to to to import into

1384
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:04,890
America or the most successful ones and

1385
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,810
the ones we steal from the most is

1386
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:08,640
because we are scared of those things

1387
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:10,050
they are because they're the archetypes

1388
00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:12,210
if what makes one culture freak out it's

1389
00:59:17,420 --> 00:59:14,150
going to make another culture freak out

1390
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:17,430
now you said that you're you're a

1391
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,220
teacher one of the things that that I

1392
00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:22,500
have always been fascinated about and

1393
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:25,220
how to have written about you know uh

1394
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:31,770
extensively is the stories urban legends

1395
00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:35,040
whatever you want to call them that that

1396
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,590
circulate among kids you know especially

1397
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,660
you know starting around you know middle

1398
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:42,420
school into high school I mean you know

1399
00:59:47,060 --> 00:59:44,700
I remember the stories that you know my

1400
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:47,070
friends used to tell you know Bloody

1401
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:50,250
Mary and you know the the the the lover

1402
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:52,980
Alain's ghost things like that you know

1403
00:59:57,740 --> 00:59:55,230
Here I am now I have a 12 year old

1404
00:59:59,240 --> 00:59:57,750
daughter she's coming home and I mean

1405
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:59,250
you know we live in a completely

1406
01:00:03,290 --> 01:00:00,660
different area hundreds of miles away

1407
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:03,300
from I grew up she's bringing home the

1408
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:07,920
very same stories yeah 40 50 years later

1409
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:10,530
yeah so I had gotten out of doing all of

1410
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:14,310
this and and you know for a few years

1411
01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:16,140
how about five years and then a few

1412
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:18,300
years ago right around the time of the

1413
01:00:23,330 --> 01:00:20,490
Slender Man case you know I was teaching

1414
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:23,340
folklore to seventh graders and it just

1415
01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:25,620
made sense for me to bring in kind of my

1416
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:27,940
background of my experience and

1417
01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:29,740
and as they were telling me their

1418
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,540
stories you know I was like oh wait a

1419
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:33,520
minute that's that there's a book being

1420
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:34,750
written in my head called

1421
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:37,180
middle school mythology I'm just like

1422
01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:38,530
these stories and how they haven't

1423
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:40,600
changed and I haven't and it's kind of

1424
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:42,730
what sparked me to come back into the

1425
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:45,730
field so you know it's unusual and it's

1426
01:00:49,110 --> 01:00:46,900
funny because I've got a daughter who's

1427
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:49,120
nine who acts like she's 15 so she acts

1428
01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:50,650
it's just my school and I've got a

1429
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,630
student and the son who was just coming

1430
01:00:59,040 --> 01:00:55,440
out of middle school now and I remember

1431
01:01:00,720 --> 01:00:59,050
probably a year ago I was talking with

1432
01:01:02,580 --> 01:01:00,730
my daughter and she said you know can I

1433
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:02,590
can I set my alarm for three o'clock and

1434
01:01:05,070 --> 01:01:03,910
I'm like why are you gonna set your

1435
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:05,080
alarm for three o'clock and she's like

1436
01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:06,850
well I just once wanted to the three

1437
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:08,470
o'clock challenge dad and what's this

1438
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:09,490
and she's like well it's something

1439
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:12,130
that's being spread through roblox which

1440
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:14,050
is like a video like as a game thing but

1441
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:15,850
it has a chat feature and it's got like

1442
01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:17,410
you know different people you can follow

1443
01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:21,400
and the idea was that Bloody Mary had

1444
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:23,740
now especially because of a lot of TV

1445
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:25,270
shows and a lot of paranormal shows that

1446
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:27,310
promote this idea of three o'clock being

1447
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:29,020
the witching hour right having some sort

1448
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:31,270
of mystic feeling that the Bloody Mary

1449
01:01:36,930 --> 01:01:34,330
challenge had been shifted so instead of

1450
01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:36,940
doing it at midnight or whatever you're

1451
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:39,400
through whatever you're you know a

1452
01:01:43,590 --> 01:01:41,890
clicks that was the right time the

1453
01:01:44,670 --> 01:01:43,600
Bloody Mary challenge now had to be done

1454
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:44,680
at three o'clock because it was the

1455
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:46,390
witching hour and I'm looking at her I'm

1456
01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:48,040
saying first of all no way you're waking

1457
01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:50,500
up at three o'clock but second of all

1458
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:53,020
like I am literally watching technology

1459
01:01:58,350 --> 01:01:55,810
transform mythology in front of us

1460
01:02:00,180 --> 01:01:58,360
changing folklore taking one idea this

1461
01:02:02,310 --> 01:02:00,190
concept of this is the witching hour

1462
01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:02,320
which you know while it's not a new idea

1463
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:05,230
it's exposure to people my daughter and

1464
01:02:10,380 --> 01:02:09,130
my son's age is a new idea take that you

1465
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:10,390
mix a little bit of the Bloody Mary

1466
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:12,310
story that's existed for so long and

1467
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:13,210
then all of a sudden you have a new

1468
01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:17,110
version of the story and being a middle

1469
01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:18,430
school teacher of now being a high

1470
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:21,220
school teacher I see so much of that and

1471
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:25,030
it kind of forms a lot of what I do you

1472
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:26,710
know that's it's interesting that you

1473
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:29,080
would say you know talking about how a

1474
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:33,730
lot of this is now going into you know

1475
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:36,910
the the technological age it reminds me

1476
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:39,250
of the Japanese movie and I can't

1477
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:40,450
remember that

1478
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:42,490
but now but they made a they made an

1479
01:02:47,069 --> 01:02:44,020
American version of it was very good

1480
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:47,079
where people would visit a website to

1481
01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:50,050
see ghosts and then eventually it ends

1482
01:03:00,589 --> 01:02:54,070
up break the Rings now it wasn't it

1483
01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:00,599
wasn't the Rey it wasn't the ring yeah

1484
01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:03,460
but it started like a you know the ghost

1485
01:03:08,339 --> 01:03:06,220
started coming into our world and then

1486
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:08,349
people would seal themselves off in

1487
01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:11,440
rooms and like paint the doors with you

1488
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:12,790
know because the internet told him to

1489
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:14,050
paint the doors that would protect him

1490
01:03:17,819 --> 01:03:15,369
from the ghost but then they would end

1491
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:17,829
up just like vanishing themselves and by

1492
01:03:23,010 --> 01:03:19,570
the end of the movie the entire world

1493
01:03:25,890 --> 01:03:23,020
had become depopulated and and I think

1494
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:25,900
the excuse was is that you know hell had

1495
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:28,450
gotten full now they were leaking out

1496
01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:30,730
you know through through the internet

1497
01:03:36,210 --> 01:03:34,030
into into the real world and but and

1498
01:03:38,849 --> 01:03:36,220
this movie was made I mean you know

1499
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:38,859
quite a while ago but I'm seeing that

1500
01:03:45,059 --> 01:03:42,970
same kind of meme so to speak starting

1501
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:45,069
to circulate across the across the

1502
01:03:49,890 --> 01:03:46,690
internet and it's just it's fascinating

1503
01:03:53,309 --> 01:03:49,900
to watch to see you know what that's

1504
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,319
going to evolve into in years to come

1505
01:03:58,109 --> 01:03:55,599
well the fact is we need these stories

1506
01:04:00,120 --> 01:03:58,119
right and the moment we don't even the

1507
01:04:02,130 --> 01:04:00,130
moment the stories don't evolve they

1508
01:04:03,620 --> 01:04:02,140
become something of the past right and

1509
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:03,630
it becomes something that we don't

1510
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,530
spread anymore and that's something that

1511
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:07,599
we don't remember anymore and folklore

1512
01:04:12,809 --> 01:04:09,490
wants to be remembered it wants to be

1513
01:04:14,370 --> 01:04:12,819
spread you know and no longer is it just

1514
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,380
being spread by word of mouth but it's

1515
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,000
being spread by social media you know

1516
01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:18,640
there's a there's a really interesting

1517
01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:22,359
kind of subset of urban legends and

1518
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:25,300
folklore that are called facts folk you

1519
01:04:29,339 --> 01:04:27,609
know and it's and it's it's kind of this

1520
01:04:31,530 --> 01:04:29,349
or in fact folklore I should say and

1521
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,540
kind of this stuff that was spread via

1522
01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:33,760
fax machine right and then after fax

1523
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:35,950
machine it was email chains and then

1524
01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:37,390
after email chains now with social media

1525
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:38,980
and the way it's going like this you

1526
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:41,170
know those stories want to find the

1527
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:42,430
light of day they want to be told

1528
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:44,170
because we need them to explain the

1529
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:45,730
things or we need them to try to make

1530
01:04:49,530 --> 01:04:47,470
sense of them and so they're just gonna

1531
01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:49,540
take the form of whatever is the popular

1532
01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:52,270
word-of-mouth and word-of-mouth now is

1533
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:54,340
no longer mouth it's now technology and

1534
01:04:58,290 --> 01:04:56,290
so the stories themselves are going to

1535
01:05:01,500 --> 01:04:58,300
change so you take someone you know like

1536
01:05:03,390 --> 01:05:01,510
like a like a Paul Bunyan it's you know

1537
01:05:04,740 --> 01:05:03,400
not gonna be Paul Bunyan cutting

1538
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:04,750
chopping down trees it's gonna be

1539
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:06,610
someone it's gonna be the youtuber who

1540
01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:09,130
gets a million followers in one day by

1541
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:10,780
doing something spectacular and yet no

1542
01:05:14,910 --> 01:05:12,730
one can seem to find that person but

1543
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:14,920
everyone knows about them you know it

1544
01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:16,510
and it's but he was taken off the air

1545
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:18,190
cuz he swore on air once so I'm like

1546
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:20,170
really because I've sworn on air a few

1547
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,260
times and YouTube doesn't shut me down

1548
01:05:27,330 --> 01:05:24,640
you know and that's the kind of

1549
01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:27,340
evolution of it which once again but it

1550
01:05:30,890 --> 01:05:29,350
did we have a core we have a core of

1551
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:30,900
things that we need in the core of

1552
01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:34,300
things that make us human and then the

1553
01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:36,430
dressing is is what makes us unique

1554
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:38,200
which makes it which is unique to

1555
01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:39,310
different cultures and unique to

1556
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:41,980
different people well it's also it's

1557
01:05:49,470 --> 01:05:45,970
very much like the the story that Abbie

1558
01:05:51,420 --> 01:05:49,480
I see this now on social media every

1559
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:51,430
Halloween and it used to be you know

1560
01:05:56,610 --> 01:05:54,250
people would Xerox flyers and put them

1561
01:06:02,310 --> 01:05:56,620
around the neighborhood well I was a kid

1562
01:06:05,490 --> 01:06:02,320
about the lick on tattoo LSD and I mean

1563
01:06:07,350 --> 01:06:05,500
that is still after all these years that

1564
01:06:10,170 --> 01:06:07,360
is still that that is still being

1565
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,180
perpetuated yeah and I live like I said

1566
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:12,880
I live in Florida and where I am seems

1567
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:17,050
to be the land of the edible and I can't

1568
01:06:19,860 --> 01:06:18,310
tell you how many of my students have

1569
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,870
already been suspended this year for

1570
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:21,760
this mmm so it's something that's real

1571
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,090
and something that the as older people

1572
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:27,520
like my age or understanding it it

1573
01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:29,080
becomes a great fear like what happens

1574
01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:32,350
if my son like being the kind of naive

1575
01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:34,030
person he is does this and he's not

1576
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:35,320
supposed to do it what if it's bad

1577
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:38,110
somehow and what we you have is you have

1578
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:40,390
that LSD zit and all sudden gets

1579
01:06:43,530 --> 01:06:42,130
translated so the big story around here

1580
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,540
was that the candy

1581
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,520
sometimes contained it was edibles and

1582
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:47,680
you had to be sure don't walk don't eat

1583
01:06:51,870 --> 01:06:49,150
these gummy bears because they're

1584
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:51,880
supposedly you know laced with with

1585
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:53,380
marijuana and you're gonna get kids are

1586
01:06:57,210 --> 01:06:54,910
gonna get and it's you know it's

1587
01:07:00,180 --> 01:06:57,220
whatever the problems of modern society

1588
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:00,190
are the folklore goes oh that's good I

1589
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:01,690
liked can I can I have a little bit of

1590
01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:03,220
that and it kind of attaches itself to

1591
01:07:07,769 --> 01:07:05,350
that and it becomes a representation of

1592
01:07:11,789 --> 01:07:07,779
the time that it's in

1593
01:07:15,149 --> 01:07:11,799
now the the book that you wrote haunted

1594
01:07:16,859 --> 01:07:15,159
objects yeah that's another one that

1595
01:07:18,779 --> 01:07:16,869
I've always found fascinated and

1596
01:07:22,049 --> 01:07:18,789
fascinating something that you can trace

1597
01:07:23,939 --> 01:07:22,059
back you know for four generations about

1598
01:07:27,419 --> 01:07:23,949
somebody bringing home something that

1599
01:07:30,479 --> 01:07:27,429
ends up you know having a a ghost or

1600
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:30,489
something attached to it I was surprised

1601
01:07:35,399 --> 01:07:33,129
at how many people you know we sent out

1602
01:07:37,289 --> 01:07:35,409
feelers I kind of had our original set

1603
01:07:39,779 --> 01:07:37,299
of cases that you know that that I had

1604
01:07:41,249 --> 01:07:39,789
been exposed to her people had come to

1605
01:07:43,049 --> 01:07:41,259
me with and stories they wanted to tell

1606
01:07:44,129 --> 01:07:43,059
and so I had like a nice good solid

1607
01:07:46,499 --> 01:07:44,139
background I'm like you know I'm gonna

1608
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:46,509
throw in some famous cases you know like

1609
01:07:51,479 --> 01:07:49,089
like James Dean's Porsche and and all

1610
01:07:53,009 --> 01:07:51,489
these things and we kind of put it out

1611
01:07:55,619 --> 01:07:53,019
there my co-author nights him Weisberg

1612
01:07:57,929 --> 01:07:55,629
put it out there and we were surprised

1613
01:07:59,579 --> 01:07:57,939
how many people came to us with stories

1614
01:08:02,129 --> 01:07:59,589
like we had to start being like you know

1615
01:08:05,609 --> 01:08:02,139
the book can only be so long and and I

1616
01:08:07,019 --> 01:08:05,619
think that there's this fear you know

1617
01:08:08,939 --> 01:08:07,029
there's that excitement of getting the

1618
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:08,949
good deal and of bring something in and

1619
01:08:14,099 --> 01:08:10,689
of something being cherished and bring

1620
01:08:16,829 --> 01:08:14,109
it into your house and it going wrong

1621
01:08:18,959 --> 01:08:16,839
somehow you know there's that fear of

1622
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:18,969
that happening and there's also this

1623
01:08:24,269 --> 01:08:22,659
connection this this idea that something

1624
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:24,279
is very special to us and something's

1625
01:08:29,069 --> 01:08:26,670
very sacred to us what happens to that

1626
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,079
that connection we have to it after we

1627
01:08:33,930 --> 01:08:31,839
die and so a good third of the stories

1628
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,940
are you know things brought out from

1629
01:08:38,939 --> 01:08:36,159
outside the house but you know another

1630
01:08:41,789 --> 01:08:38,949
third of this that book is people who

1631
01:08:43,499 --> 01:08:41,799
are able to connect with people that

1632
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:43,509
they love after they've died through

1633
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:45,190
these objects mmm and there's somehow

1634
01:08:50,249 --> 01:08:47,409
able to pass down messages of love or

1635
01:08:52,919 --> 01:08:50,259
they're able to pass down a link to your

1636
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:52,929
heritage through these objects and

1637
01:08:56,519 --> 01:08:54,250
oftentimes they give people great

1638
01:08:59,939 --> 01:08:56,529
comfort so it's kind of like a third

1639
01:09:03,950 --> 01:08:59,949
creepy a third head scratchy and then a

1640
01:09:07,890 --> 01:09:03,960
third kind of you know to me

1641
01:09:09,779 --> 01:09:07,900
heartwarming yeah you know and this idea

1642
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:09,789
that you know we don't have to

1643
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:12,190
necessarily be be lose to people that we

1644
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:14,170
lose there with us somehow and

1645
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:15,670
oftentimes that's through the things

1646
01:09:19,950 --> 01:09:18,400
they leave behind and sometimes out can

1647
01:09:21,689 --> 01:09:19,960
be tangible it can be a necklace it can

1648
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:21,699
be a give me a coin it could be

1649
01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:26,319
in one story a set of tools and and you

1650
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,630
know so it's it's a you know people

1651
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:30,640
always want the paranormal to be creepy

1652
01:09:35,579 --> 01:09:32,730
but sometimes it could be uplifting to

1653
01:09:37,169 --> 01:09:35,589
yeah I know some of the cases that that

1654
01:09:40,410 --> 01:09:37,179
I've run across you know involved like

1655
01:09:43,169 --> 01:09:40,420
jewelry know either inherited jewelry or

1656
01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:43,179
you know that great deal that you that

1657
01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:46,779
you got at the rubbage sale that turns

1658
01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:49,350
out to be you know know what not so good

1659
01:09:53,729 --> 01:09:51,640
interesting stories in there is like the

1660
01:09:55,650 --> 01:09:53,739
most mundane thing that you would never

1661
01:09:57,450 --> 01:09:55,660
think would be haunted a filing cabinet

1662
01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:57,460
home we're like wow they're selling a

1663
01:10:02,070 --> 01:09:58,840
filing cabinet but there was a birth

1664
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:02,080
certificate that was stuck in the filing

1665
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:05,679
cabinet and the person who had died

1666
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:08,020
couldn't let it go they wanted their son

1667
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:09,670
to have the birth certificate they and

1668
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:13,270
she she haunted this woman for for a few

1669
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:14,830
months and she'd had these absolutely

1670
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:17,380
horrible dreams or see her and kind of

1671
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:19,030
an old hag thing she would wake up and

1672
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,290
the woman would be on her and like

1673
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:21,760
screaming at her but she couldn't hear

1674
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:24,640
anything until she eventually found it

1675
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:28,060
and all right well we're gonna have to

1676
01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:31,290
interrupt the end of the story oh

1677
01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:33,940
alright well we'll find out when we come

1678
01:10:46,690 --> 01:10:36,160
back from exploring the bizarre so stay

1679
01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:50,840
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1680
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:53,430
two of the most electrifying researchers

1681
01:11:02,030 --> 01:10:56,730
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1682
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:02,040
Lee panting Swift's okay Chris before we

1683
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:04,890
get Rob back on the microphone finishes

1684
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,300
the story about the haunted filing

1685
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,810
she had one last experience she she

1686
01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:13,560
decided she finally found the birth

1687
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,260
certificate she burned it in her sink

1688
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:17,880
and she basically like cursed the woman

1689
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:19,070
said you know get out of my house now

1690
01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:22,380
and she had one last experience where

1691
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:25,470
she was attacked and strangled and and

1692
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:27,030
felt like she wasn't gonna make it

1693
01:11:32,690 --> 01:11:28,350
through the experience and the woman

1694
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,700
faded away so and nothing ever happened

1695
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:34,800
again of course I have that exact same

1696
01:11:39,260 --> 01:11:37,500
filing cabinet in my house now because

1697
01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:39,270
she wanted to get rid of it just in case

1698
01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:42,750
and I've yet to have any women come to

1699
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,820
me in the middle of the night and try to

1700
01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:47,040
strangle me so we're pretty good on it

1701
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:50,420
the birth certificate is gone you know

1702
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:53,370
the detection is broken and whatever

1703
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:54,810
might have been keeping her here keeping

1704
01:12:00,650 --> 01:11:57,540
her upset is now null and void and so

1705
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:00,660
there you go well maybe maybe maybe

1706
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:02,730
Murad can answer this why are dolls

1707
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:05,670
always so haunted my sister used to

1708
01:12:09,650 --> 01:12:07,770
collect dolls and they were always

1709
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:09,660
moving about and there was always one or

1710
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:11,970
two they were you know like doing

1711
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,940
something that was pretty peculiar for a

1712
01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:17,280
doll and of course we have Chucky my

1713
01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:20,790
favorite one of my favorite horror

1714
01:12:27,740 --> 01:12:25,740
character a lot of times you know energy

1715
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:27,750
can be charged in an object especially

1716
01:12:35,630 --> 01:12:31,910
toys and dolls because when you have a

1717
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:35,640
child especially who spends a lot of

1718
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:40,020
time with an object a lot of emotions

1719
01:12:47,210 --> 01:12:44,460
get imprinted on that object the the the

1720
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:47,220
very fibers and particles of that object

1721
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:50,130
get weaved with that in you know

1722
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:52,860
imprinted with the very emotions and the

1723
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:54,600
energy of that object and it literally

1724
01:12:59,150 --> 01:12:56,040
charged it like a

1725
01:13:01,220 --> 01:12:59,160
magical charge and and and and and it

1726
01:13:03,020 --> 01:13:01,230
collects it it's almost like a and an

1727
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:03,030
accumulator of energy get it gets

1728
01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:05,250
accumulated in it and it can inhabit

1729
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:07,830
that that that inanimate object you know

1730
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:10,140
even the Etruscans believed that even

1731
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:12,810
inanimate objects can contain spirits

1732
01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:14,610
you know everything had some sort of

1733
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:16,740
spirit attached to it and especially

1734
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:19,260
something that's owned by somebody that

1735
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:21,270
spends a lot of time with something and

1736
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:23,970
is putting a lot of you know emotions

1737
01:13:27,260 --> 01:13:25,650
into it while they're holding it and

1738
01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:27,270
spending it even with the toy when

1739
01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:29,070
you're always playing with a toy as a

1740
01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:32,550
child you're charging that that toy with

1741
01:13:37,730 --> 01:13:35,670
so much energy so much joy so much pain

1742
01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:37,740
so much hay you know everything you're

1743
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,790
going through when you're when you're

1744
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:41,010
holding that toy and carrying it

1745
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:43,650
everywhere you know and then even when

1746
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:45,990
you've left that toy that stuff's still

1747
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,270
there and so yeah we had special like we

1748
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:50,340
had a dial phone that was his beloved

1749
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:53,670
toy of my niece and and we always felt

1750
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:55,320
like some of her energy got put on it

1751
01:14:00,860 --> 01:13:56,850
and it seemed to be the easiest thing

1752
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:00,870
for for a spirit to interact with and so

1753
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:02,820
we used to bring that xylophone when we

1754
01:14:06,530 --> 01:14:05,010
were looking into different haunted

1755
01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:06,540
houses or we were on a case like that

1756
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:08,760
and almost only something would play

1757
01:14:11,630 --> 01:14:10,380
that xylophone because that energy was

1758
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:11,640
still trapped there and it became like

1759
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:13,380
the easiest thing for them to connect to

1760
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:16,760
because rather than any MF meter or

1761
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:19,230
thermal limit like something that's you

1762
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:21,810
know artificial this was kind of like

1763
01:14:26,990 --> 01:14:23,450
you're saying right it's kind of like

1764
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:27,000
covered in this natural kind of person

1765
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:28,710
energy I'm saying like the spiritual

1766
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:30,570
energy that they were much much easier

1767
01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:33,030
to interact with and manipulate yeah and

1768
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:34,470
you know with the case with Chucky I

1769
01:14:40,940 --> 01:14:38,310
think Tim and Chris and with that case

1770
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:40,950
you know it said even in an Italian lore

1771
01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:44,040
that when a witches or shaman or

1772
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:45,960
whatever you want to call it dies before

1773
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:48,150
they die they're supposed to give their

1774
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:51,300
powers in their hair energy over to

1775
01:14:55,870 --> 01:14:53,400
something before they die someone or

1776
01:14:58,670 --> 01:14:55,880
something and maybe in in some cases

1777
01:15:01,520 --> 01:14:58,680
when when this sorcerer is about to die

1778
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,530
no one is around to give their powers to

1779
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:03,600
and they put it into some inanimate

1780
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:06,810
object like a doll I wonder for us like

1781
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:08,850
some of that programming you're talk

1782
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:09,810
about you talk about

1783
01:15:15,140 --> 01:15:13,020
stays in energy and as or stays in the

1784
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:15,150
air and as these kids are being trained

1785
01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:17,610
out of what might be natural to them

1786
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:19,860
that stuff has no place to go and finds

1787
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:22,320
their way to their toys sure sure and

1788
01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:23,490
you know you were talking about the

1789
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:27,030
Slenderman earlier it reminded me and

1790
01:15:30,710 --> 01:15:28,620
and I think it's where it stems from

1791
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:30,720
there's there's an ancient Italian

1792
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:34,770
Etruscan even object it's it became a

1793
01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:37,020
symbol of the the city Volterra from

1794
01:15:42,020 --> 01:15:39,150
where of my one of my sides of my

1795
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:42,030
family's from called the Umbra della

1796
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:44,250
Sera which means the shadow of the

1797
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:46,530
evening if you look it up it's this long

1798
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:49,410
slender statue that projects like a

1799
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:52,860
shadow on on the ground when when the

1800
01:15:58,340 --> 01:15:56,490
sun's going down and it sort of comes

1801
01:16:00,140 --> 01:15:58,350
from the forests of Volterra it's

1802
01:16:03,050 --> 01:16:00,150
supposed to be this the shadow that

1803
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:03,060
comes as you know as night falls and and

1804
01:16:07,730 --> 01:16:05,610
the shadow side of somebody comes out

1805
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:07,740
it's supposed to like you know evoke

1806
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:10,020
some energies within people that you

1807
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:11,820
know that the night brings the shadow of

1808
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:13,710
the evening is about to bring and it's

1809
01:16:19,730 --> 01:16:16,760
sort of like a stick figure type of

1810
01:16:21,230 --> 01:16:19,740
object that that's really weird and it's

1811
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:21,240
I think it is connected to the

1812
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:23,820
Slenderman story in some way you know

1813
01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:26,450
it's very ancient there is so many

1814
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:29,490
Slenderman references before Slenderman

1815
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:32,340
kind of is named you know there there's

1816
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:35,370
both in literature and in movies and in

1817
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:37,890
writing and in folklore you know the

1818
01:16:42,740 --> 01:16:40,650
Slender Man is not something new this

1819
01:16:45,140 --> 01:16:42,750
variation of them is you know and I

1820
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,150
remember haunted bridges - yeah yeah I

1821
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:47,760
remember be I mean I used to one of the

1822
01:16:51,620 --> 01:16:49,320
first things I became known for were

1823
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:51,630
haunted hitchhikers and I'm like you

1824
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:53,010
realize this goes all the way back to

1825
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:55,320
like a Hawaiian legend that's like 3,000

1826
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,820
years old about a man on a road right

1827
01:17:00,880 --> 01:16:58,920
you know it goes it's like in the Bible

1828
01:17:04,010 --> 01:17:00,890
and it's you know and so these stories

1829
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:04,020
are there and they're part of our of who

1830
01:17:08,030 --> 01:17:06,540
we are and we attach ourselves but I

1831
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:08,040
also think those kinds of things

1832
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:11,340
constantly happen because you know we if

1833
01:17:15,710 --> 01:17:13,080
we are the spirits that are interacting

1834
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:15,720
with people we kind of have a set of

1835
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:17,250
rules in our head and we have kind of

1836
01:17:21,980 --> 01:17:19,920
how we should act and how we should and

1837
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:21,990
how we interact with the living that

1838
01:17:25,190 --> 01:17:23,730
might be influenced by our

1839
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,200
culture or just kind of a general

1840
01:17:29,570 --> 01:17:27,960
understanding of ghosts and so we if we

1841
01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:29,580
become that way then all of a sudden we

1842
01:17:33,860 --> 01:17:32,070
act that way when we're dead potentially

1843
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:33,870
you know it's it's it's really

1844
01:17:36,650 --> 01:17:35,400
interesting to see those things like

1845
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:36,660
you're saying the bridges throughout

1846
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:38,940
because now I'm looking at you know

1847
01:17:44,030 --> 01:17:42,120
which is bridges first-born and I'm

1848
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:44,040
finding so many references of all three

1849
01:17:47,660 --> 01:17:45,450
things in all these different cultures

1850
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:47,670
throughout centuries yeah well you could

1851
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:51,360
find like leila ponte alla grazie it's a

1852
01:17:57,050 --> 01:17:53,820
it's a stone it's a bridge in Florence

1853
01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:57,060
that is connected to which is and having

1854
01:18:01,820 --> 01:17:59,880
like a goat haunting the bridge that a

1855
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:01,830
goat would flames would appear in the

1856
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:03,930
middle of the bridge and people would

1857
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:06,060
try to go grab the goat and and flames

1858
01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:07,290
would come out of the goal and people

1859
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:09,540
would actually die from fright from this

1860
01:18:14,210 --> 01:18:11,489
goat and they would hear like weird

1861
01:18:17,210 --> 01:18:14,220
gobbling echoes around the bridge you

1862
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:17,220
know it's it's very ancient it's a Ponte

1863
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:18,210
a leg grazie

1864
01:18:24,290 --> 01:18:21,360
it means like the point of thanks point

1865
01:18:25,729 --> 01:18:24,300
oh okay yeah it's it's a very connection

1866
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:25,739
of the point of thanks cart did people

1867
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:28,140
for people where people asked to like

1868
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:29,970
give thanks to this to this goat as well

1869
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:32,010
or like yours it just the bridge is

1870
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:33,450
called that and the story happens yeah I

1871
01:18:37,670 --> 01:18:35,130
think it has to do with like an echo to

1872
01:18:40,220 --> 01:18:37,680
of the of the bridge there's some sort

1873
01:18:41,660 --> 01:18:40,230
of echo that gets produced on that

1874
01:18:45,860 --> 01:18:41,670
bridge you know and it's interesting

1875
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:45,870
because like they say that like when

1876
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:48,690
when you would produce like a voice

1877
01:18:54,380 --> 01:18:51,920
there's some sort of like demonic goblin

1878
01:18:57,260 --> 01:18:54,390
return of your echo like it would be

1879
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:57,270
like a weird distorted goblin type of

1880
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:59,610
return of the echo for the bridges it's

1881
01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:01,020
a very there's a lot of legends to go

1882
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:02,670
with that bridge as well you know I

1883
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:11,730
gotta talk I wishes exchanged oh wow

1884
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:13,230
that that's written that's really

1885
01:19:18,490 --> 01:19:16,320
interesting about the bridge haunted by

1886
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,500
the goat because in Louisville Kentucky

1887
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:21,840
there is a bridge called the Pope lick

1888
01:19:29,930 --> 01:19:25,620
bridge which is supposedly haunted by a

1889
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:29,940
goat man type of creature it was just in

1890
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:31,800
the news a couple of months ago because

1891
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:35,489
some like Ghost Hunters were on the

1892
01:19:40,220 --> 01:19:37,140
bridge and accidentally got hit by

1893
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:40,230
train was going across that's that's

1894
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:43,980
crazy yeah the the there's there's I

1895
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:46,130
heard of a legend once where it's like

1896
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:48,810
up in the air like they had to go up in

1897
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:50,340
the air right they had to like hike up

1898
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:53,100
there was a they would like see they

1899
01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:55,290
would like climb up to the top of the

1900
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:57,420
like overpass where the train would come

1901
01:20:02,090 --> 01:19:59,580
and they would go to the middle or

1902
01:20:03,740 --> 01:20:02,100
something like that I thought I heard it

1903
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:03,750
something like that about I think well I

1904
01:20:06,860 --> 01:20:04,890
know what you're talking about heard the

1905
01:20:08,180 --> 01:20:06,870
same legend but yeah there's so many

1906
01:20:10,210 --> 01:20:08,190
there's so many things that go with

1907
01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:10,220
bridges and goats and it has to do with

1908
01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:13,500
with witches a lot as well and and

1909
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:15,900
there's so many tales but you know I

1910
01:20:20,750 --> 01:20:18,300
even on my patreon I have a patreon that

1911
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,760
I I've had actual paranormal encounters

1912
01:20:25,130 --> 01:20:22,560
that I have proof of that that I've

1913
01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:25,140
posted that um you know there's certain

1914
01:20:31,010 --> 01:20:27,630
entities and I think because there's

1915
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:31,020
been such a rise of occult activity and

1916
01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:34,410
and satanic worship and sacrifices and

1917
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,460
and all of these you know ancient sites

1918
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:39,840
that have been used in the wrong way

1919
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:43,500
even here in Yonkers untermeyer Park has

1920
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:45,810
been used for a long time for satanic

1921
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:47,850
rituals and it was actually modeled

1922
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,530
after the Garden of Eden has like

1923
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:52,320
Persian garden walled gardens and

1924
01:20:57,620 --> 01:20:55,290
ancient ruins there and the Son of Sam

1925
01:20:59,780 --> 01:20:57,630
was doing rituals there and you know

1926
01:21:02,450 --> 01:20:59,790
there'd been sacrifices at that Park all

1927
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:02,460
sorts of things so you know a lot of

1928
01:21:06,230 --> 01:21:04,620
these places have been used in the wrong

1929
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,240
way and and produced these

1930
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:08,880
interdimensional creatures I was having

1931
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:12,450
these these dreams about this weird

1932
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:15,930
creature with a huge foot like one huge

1933
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:19,710
big toe coming at me right and I was at

1934
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:22,560
work and sometimes I would feel

1935
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:25,920
something's coming behind me um and and

1936
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:27,720
like rushing towards me and I would look

1937
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:29,370
back and nothing would be there and I

1938
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:31,320
would feel really creepy about it and I

1939
01:21:34,850 --> 01:21:33,450
was having dreams about this this thing

1940
01:21:36,710 --> 01:21:34,860
and then all of a sudden I go to work

1941
01:21:38,540 --> 01:21:36,720
and I during the day you know at night I

1942
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:38,550
do my readings and my radio show and all

1943
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:41,550
that but during the day um I work a

1944
01:21:46,460 --> 01:21:43,260
pretty serious job sometimes I Drive a

1945
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:46,470
forklift too and I do a lot of high high

1946
01:21:51,050 --> 01:21:49,410
high work you know like focus work so

1947
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:51,060
I'm pretty focused during the day

1948
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:53,400
and then I came in one morning and there

1949
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:56,370
was this footprint on my on my machine

1950
01:22:02,180 --> 01:21:59,100
that I took a picture of as well that

1951
01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:02,190
was like stained on my on there like it

1952
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:03,870
was acid and when it go away for like

1953
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:06,840
two months and it was a huge footprint

1954
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:09,420
but with one huge big toe that was

1955
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:13,260
almost shaped like a webbed diamond man

1956
01:22:16,940 --> 01:22:15,540
you know when when I took a picture of

1957
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:16,950
it wouldn't go away from months to him

1958
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:19,380
and I was having pictures of some sort

1959
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:22,410
of like weird like sea creature coming

1960
01:22:27,650 --> 01:22:25,290
at me right so there's been a lot of

1961
01:22:30,230 --> 01:22:27,660
drownings going on in India a lot of

1962
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:30,240
like a lot of weird storms and we all

1963
01:22:35,870 --> 01:22:33,210
know that all myth and lore actually

1964
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:35,880
comes and stems from some sort of event

1965
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,990
I mean even I mean even if we go like if

1966
01:22:44,060 --> 01:22:42,000
we look at all the storms on our planet

1967
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,070
right we have like hurricane that comes

1968
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:46,560
from the god Huracan right Huracan is a

1969
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:49,380
rain god right and even you got typhoon

1970
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:51,450
that comes from Typhon which is another

1971
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:54,420
god that that just storms our planet

1972
01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:56,040
right so these are all coming from some

1973
01:23:00,560 --> 01:22:58,530
sort of mythical creature you know some

1974
01:23:02,930 --> 01:23:00,570
sort of interdimensional creature so in

1975
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,940
slavic you have something called the

1976
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:05,280
vaji annoy now this is very interesting

1977
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:06,930
because this is what I think was

1978
01:23:12,230 --> 01:23:09,480
actually what I experienced and and you

1979
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:12,240
know in in in in Slavic they have this

1980
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:14,490
thing called the vaj annoy and and the

1981
01:23:19,190 --> 01:23:16,260
vaginal are supposed to be like these

1982
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:19,200
shape-shifting sea creatures but they

1983
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:22,920
can appear and come in human form and

1984
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:25,290
they can like have outlandishly huge big

1985
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:27,900
toes and paws and and have horns and

1986
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:29,970
they can have sometimes tails and have

1987
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:31,890
eyes that look like burning coals and

1988
01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:35,970
and they say that they can like manifest

1989
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,150
in our world and have like a red eyes

1990
01:23:43,940 --> 01:23:41,760
and and and weird bodies and then they

1991
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,950
can incarnate and they lower people to

1992
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:46,020
their death they can even lower them to

1993
01:23:51,230 --> 01:23:48,810
like drown them almost like a Japanese

1994
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:51,240
copper or something like that you know

1995
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:54,120
so I do believe that these things are

1996
01:24:00,560 --> 01:23:57,840
actually exist and are somehow they

1997
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:00,570
manifest from the dream world the spirit

1998
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:03,090
world and sometimes maybe can open up

1999
01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:04,320
some sort of swirling

2000
01:24:08,890 --> 01:24:06,630
or Texan and get pulled into our realm

2001
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:08,900
some way that's why I don't think

2002
01:24:13,190 --> 01:24:11,310
something like a Loch Ness monster or

2003
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:13,200
Bigfoot or anything like that would

2004
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:15,060
actually actually be caught because

2005
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:17,310
there there's something on another plane

2006
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:19,080
of existence some something that's part

2007
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:22,440
human and and also part interdimensional

2008
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:23,700
creature they're you know they're

2009
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:26,010
they're they're they can walk between

2010
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:27,930
worlds you know they're they're a

2011
01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:30,090
genetic mixture that's that's just like

2012
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:32,160
what it what a dragon is like if you if

2013
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,830
you look an ancient out alchemy and you

2014
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:37,020
look at what it what an astral dragon is

2015
01:24:40,730 --> 01:24:38,520
what are they made out of there they're

2016
01:24:43,550 --> 01:24:40,740
made out of like they're made out of

2017
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:43,560
like physical body matter metal you know

2018
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:44,790
and then and then if you look at the

2019
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:46,020
dragon's sister what are they made out

2020
01:24:50,690 --> 01:24:47,460
of they're made out of like metallic

2021
01:24:52,430 --> 01:24:50,700
Mercurian and soul and spirit so this is

2022
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,440
not something that's from our world this

2023
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:54,480
is something that is is like sort of

2024
01:24:58,220 --> 01:24:57,210
like that and when I've you uh if you

2025
01:25:02,150 --> 01:24:58,230
want to hear something that's pretty

2026
01:25:03,950 --> 01:25:02,160
interesting too when I view certain

2027
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:03,960
things like the goddess Tia Motte

2028
01:25:07,730 --> 01:25:05,250
you know that's talked about in ancient

2029
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:07,740
Babylon or even the asteroid that's

2030
01:25:13,550 --> 01:25:10,920
recently been on our news that oh a

2031
01:25:15,530 --> 01:25:13,560
MooMoo or whatever it's called the what

2032
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,540
immediately came to me is that these

2033
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:17,580
would this is what a dragon is they are

2034
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:20,100
sort of like an interdimensional flying

2035
01:25:26,450 --> 01:25:23,130
lab they have genetic genetic material

2036
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:26,460
they have metals they have everything

2037
01:25:30,110 --> 01:25:28,440
you need to terraform an environment and

2038
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,120
it's flying through inner space

2039
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:32,400
inter-dimensionally in it hits and comes

2040
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:34,650
into your atmosphere in and breaks apart

2041
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:37,260
and then the world is seated with with

2042
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:39,420
all these metals and genetic material

2043
01:25:43,730 --> 01:25:40,950
everything that this asteroid is

2044
01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:43,740
creating and carrying it's sort of like

2045
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:46,350
a lab flying through space and if you

2046
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:49,890
have Rock rocking in case anything right

2047
01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:53,040
and and it can fly and and and it can

2048
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:55,350
enter our atmosphere and and see our

2049
01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:57,000
world and that's what I really believe

2050
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,860
asteroids are they're not just random

2051
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,780
things lying through space they are

2052
01:26:05,090 --> 01:26:02,880
actually like interdimensional labs and

2053
01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:05,100
you know that's why you have like the

2054
01:26:09,230 --> 01:26:07,710
myths of rock born gods like Mithras and

2055
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,240
and things like this I think they're

2056
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,280
they're actually from asteroids are

2057
01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:13,920
actually designed to secede worlds and

2058
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,200
that's what that oh a moo-moo is and and

2059
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:17,760
that's what the ancient

2060
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:20,010
or of tiamat is that ancient dragon

2061
01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:22,050
goddess Tiamat was the grandmother of

2062
01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:25,110
Lilith she was said to be slayed by the

2063
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:28,199
god Marduk the earth God Marduk and what

2064
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,690
happened when he was she was slain the

2065
01:26:35,180 --> 01:26:32,400
heavens and earth were formed from her

2066
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:35,190
body so what is the story here we got we

2067
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:37,289
got some ancient goddess that curled

2068
01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:39,449
she's like a serpent coming out of the

2069
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:42,150
void of Darkness curled up and she comes

2070
01:26:46,609 --> 01:26:44,489
into earth and she's slain by a God

2071
01:26:48,649 --> 01:26:46,619
called Marduk and then heavens and earth

2072
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:48,659
are formed from her body so what could

2073
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,260
this be

2074
01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:51,360
could it be maybe an asteroid coming

2075
01:26:55,879 --> 01:26:53,190
into our atmosphere breaks apart and

2076
01:27:00,319 --> 01:26:55,889
then things start growing you know

2077
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:00,329
that's Oh what what happens if one of

2078
01:27:05,689 --> 01:27:03,570
these astronauts comes to a planet say

2079
01:27:15,620 --> 01:27:05,699
like Earth it already has established

2080
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:15,630
their life ya know I I think this is

2081
01:27:21,290 --> 01:27:18,210
these are all it's designed you know

2082
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,300
this we're here on a grid you know Tim

2083
01:27:25,339 --> 01:27:23,400
Beckley had mentioned earlier in a point

2084
01:27:28,729 --> 01:27:25,349
that it's certain certain points on our

2085
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,739
planet are sort of like activate things

2086
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:30,719
and I do think the longitudinal

2087
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:33,030
adjectives like that like the 33 degrees

2088
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,420
north for example that you know Mount

2089
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:38,639
Hermon is at 33 degrees north and that's

2090
01:27:42,379 --> 01:27:40,530
where the fallen angels supposedly

2091
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:42,389
touched down and has three points to it

2092
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:44,460
just like the three points in the Giza

2093
01:27:51,049 --> 01:27:47,489
Egypt and you know I had an experience

2094
01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:51,059
at 33 degrees north in Long Beach

2095
01:27:58,399 --> 01:27:54,900
California at the Cesar Chavez park and

2096
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,409
that's not a coincidence that something

2097
01:28:02,509 --> 01:28:00,480
activated I you want to call it a

2098
01:28:05,689 --> 01:28:02,519
Stargate or something but I had an

2099
01:28:09,109 --> 01:28:05,699
experience with an otherworldly being in

2100
01:28:10,879 --> 01:28:09,119
this Park and you know I was pretty much

2101
01:28:12,939 --> 01:28:10,889
lured out to Long Beach California I

2102
01:28:16,339 --> 01:28:12,949
lived there for a couple years in

2103
01:28:19,009 --> 01:28:16,349
2002-2003 I traveled as a musician for a

2104
01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:19,019
little while and you know something just

2105
01:28:23,629 --> 01:28:21,659
took me to California and I was having

2106
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:23,639
this these supernatural experiences out

2107
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:27,030
there one after another for those two

2108
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:28,679
years something just lured me out there

2109
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:30,210
and one of them happened to be in that

2110
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:31,290
Park and then years

2111
01:28:36,830 --> 01:28:33,690
later when I look on Google Earth I see

2112
01:28:39,620 --> 01:28:36,840
it's at 33 degrees north just like just

2113
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:39,630
like Mount Hermon and so I think there

2114
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:41,010
are certain points on our planet that

2115
01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:44,090
activate stargates if you want to say

2116
01:28:52,940 --> 01:28:46,440
well now what would you say to somebody

2117
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:52,950
raw who is interested in really for one

2118
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,660
of a better word you know uh you know

2119
01:29:01,340 --> 01:28:57,600
improving themselves opening themselves

2120
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up to these concepts that you have been

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01:29:07,730 --> 01:29:04,230
talking about you know avoiding some of

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01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:07,740
these more negative aspects of life that

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01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,210
you you know you were saying you know it

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01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:12,320
seems to be kind of you know taking over

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01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:15,450
you know what what can somebody do to

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01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:18,360
start bettering themselves on that you

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01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:20,340
know that that interdimensional level so

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01:29:25,220 --> 01:29:22,500
to speak well one is is to shed your ego

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01:29:26,810 --> 01:29:25,230
and fear like we're we're programmed

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01:29:28,730 --> 01:29:26,820
with fear from almost a minute we're

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01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:28,740
born even even pain think about a man

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01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,540
woman they're born there and here in

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01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:32,400
America especially they're circumcised

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01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:34,290
right away they're they're imprinted

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01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:36,450
with pain and fear almost right away

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01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,600
just from birth and then it starts right

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01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:41,040
away with negative programming

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01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:43,410
throughout our life you know so we have

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01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:45,960
to sort of be fearless in a way you know

2140
01:29:49,670 --> 01:29:47,460
we have to sort of sort of learn how to

2141
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:49,680
become our own shaman our own healers

2142
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:52,710
our own mystics because everybody out

2143
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:55,170
there else is just guessing we know our

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01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:56,970
own bodies and our own minds better than

2145
01:30:01,600 --> 01:29:59,400
anyone you know and when the time and

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01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:01,610
place and moment that we're born a

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01:30:07,370 --> 01:30:05,430
spiritual time line is an infinite

2148
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,380
spiritual time line is laid out for you

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01:30:10,460 --> 01:30:08,880
and depending on whatever choices you

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01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:10,470
make you're going to be sent down these

2151
01:30:14,570 --> 01:30:12,570
different timelines and you're sort of

2152
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:14,580
like time coded to have these little

2153
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:16,650
spiritual epiphanies and awakenings in

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01:30:20,810 --> 01:30:18,570
your life and depending how you deal

2155
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:20,820
with them is is depending on what karma

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01:30:23,870 --> 01:30:22,410
you're gonna get in and what results

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01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:23,880
you're gonna get in your life so I think

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01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:25,590
it really has to do with fear Tim and

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01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:28,290
you know like when were you born with

2160
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,850
what's your birthday don't forgive me

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01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:31,920
the year but when was your birthday okay

2162
01:30:35,630 --> 01:30:33,210
I'll have to do this real quick cuz

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01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:35,640
we're close to add to the show June 23rd

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01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:39,510
1958 June 23rd so like usually when

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01:30:42,590 --> 01:30:40,410
someone's born

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01:30:44,450 --> 01:30:42,600
at a certain date they'll go through

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01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:44,460
little intervals in their life like

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01:30:47,180 --> 01:30:45,090
little

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01:30:48,820 --> 01:30:47,190
you know spiritual times where in their

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01:30:51,170 --> 01:30:48,830
life they'll go through little spiritual

2171
01:30:52,670 --> 01:30:51,180
awakenings or a little spiritual events

2172
01:30:54,410 --> 01:30:52,680
where we'll go through these little

2173
01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:54,420
little sessions or little times

2174
01:30:58,970 --> 01:30:57,450
well you'll well sort of like certain

2175
01:31:01,640 --> 01:30:58,980
things will happen well that'll change

2176
01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:01,650
you so like on the on the date you were

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01:31:06,170 --> 01:31:04,260
born your your Sun is gonna rise in you

2178
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:06,180
a certain way and make you activate so

2179
01:31:10,190 --> 01:31:08,490
when you were born I'm pretty sure at

2180
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:10,200
the age of twenty nine you went through

2181
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:12,810
something really serious and you started

2182
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:15,270
becoming Syria like really concerned and

2183
01:31:19,220 --> 01:31:17,250
really more sensitive and and you know

2184
01:31:21,020 --> 01:31:19,230
when when you were home you wanted to be

2185
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:21,030
more home with your family and something

2186
01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:22,440
really sensitive happens to you at the

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01:31:29,210 --> 01:31:26,040
age of twenty nine am i right I'll have

2188
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:29,220
to think about that route because that's

2189
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:32,010
that's been quite a ways once again

2190
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:34,410
probably when you were fifty nine know

2191
01:31:38,930 --> 01:31:35,970
something something changed in your life

2192
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:38,940
right yeah yes yes all right now I'm

2193
01:31:41,780 --> 01:31:40,290
gonna have to interrupt you here we'll

2194
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:41,790
have to continue this conversation at a

2195
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:43,650
later time but I want to give both of

2196
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:45,450
you a chance to let our audience know a

2197
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:46,650
little bit more about where they can

2198
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:50,490
find you online so rah let's let's start

2199
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:52,530
with you and keep it quick so we can let

2200
01:31:57,770 --> 01:31:55,650
Chris have his chance yeah so you can

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01:31:59,840 --> 01:31:57,780
find me at the mystical spiral calm and

2202
01:32:02,390 --> 01:31:59,850
you can also find me at patreon.com

2203
01:32:04,220 --> 01:32:02,400
slash the mystical spiral and you can

2204
01:32:07,340 --> 01:32:04,230
find my radio show every Saturday night

2205
01:32:10,820 --> 01:32:07,350
at truth frequency radio network TFR

2206
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:10,830
live.com /i of raw all right and

2207
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:13,110
christopher what about you best place to

2208
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:15,440
go is trippin on legends on

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01:32:19,670 --> 01:32:19,050
wordpress.com and if you're an old fogey

2210
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:19,680
like me

2211
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:22,050
facebook.com backslash trippin on

2212
01:32:25,940 --> 01:32:23,340
legends that's where you put everything

2213
01:32:27,620 --> 01:32:25,950
out there so and that'll lead you links

2214
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:27,630
to everything else so either one of

2215
01:32:31,370 --> 01:32:29,850
those places are just you know google my

2216
01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:31,380
name or google trippin on legends and

2217
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:34,260
you'll find us I had a couple of book

2218
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:38,610
titles short probably bridgewire

2219
01:32:43,670 --> 01:32:40,050
triangles you were interested in that

2220
01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:43,680
yeah the dark woods cults crime the

2221
01:32:46,490 --> 01:32:45,030
paranormal the free time State Forest

2222
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:46,500
and goes to the Bridgewater triangle

2223
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:49,110
well you got you you got you got them

2224
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:54,570
all and Tim I want to thank our guest

2225
01:32:58,610 --> 01:32:56,730
this evening and don't forget to go to

2226
01:33:02,540 --> 01:32:58,620
our YouTube channel miss

2227
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:02,550
two UFOs secret files and special thanks

2228
01:33:11,630 --> 01:33:07,380
to Peter and Helen and Carol and Tina

2229
01:33:14,630 --> 01:33:11,640
and to most of all all our listeners out

2230
01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:14,640
there and do tell your friends to tune

2231
01:33:20,630 --> 01:33:17,540
in every Thursday night at ten o'clock

2232
01:33:24,130 --> 01:33:20,640
Eastern seven o'clock Pacific for some

2233
01:33:26,780 --> 01:33:24,140
of the best conversation on the

2234
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:26,790
paranormal you're going to find anywhere

2235
01:33:33,230 --> 01:33:30,090
and I guarantee it I'll even share my

2236
01:33:35,420 --> 01:33:33,240
bottle of brandy with you there you go

2237
01:33:37,670 --> 01:33:35,430
and and what's what's the title of your

2238
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:37,680
new book out just in a couple of days

2239
01:33:45,860 --> 01:33:41,250
Tim oh all the let's see it's a David

2240
01:33:50,930 --> 01:33:45,870
Bowie UFOs witchcraft cocaine and

2241
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:50,940
paranoia that's a title yeah oh that's

2242
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:55,650
not even the subtitle it's the the saga

2243
01:34:04,340 --> 01:33:58,800
of well II well yeah I'll mark the White

2244
01:34:08,930 --> 01:34:04,350
Witch of New York week and lots of lots

2245
01:34:12,710 --> 01:34:08,940
of gossip about some it's a trip down

2246
01:34:14,990 --> 01:34:12,720
memory lane back to the 1960s and 1970s

2247
01:34:16,940 --> 01:34:15,000
if you like classic rock and roll and

2248
01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:16,950
you like witchcraft and the occult that

2249
01:34:23,770 --> 01:34:21,300
is the book for you all right well we

2250
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:23,780
need to wrap it up here to him so thanks

2251
01:34:28,700 --> 01:34:26,730
raw and Chris a great show tonight and

2252
01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:28,710
thank to everyone who's listening we're

2253
01:34:34,190 --> 01:34:31,380
gonna have to sign off now so be sure to

2254
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:34,200
be on back with us this time again next

2255
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:42,960
you've been listening to exploring the

2256
01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:46,090
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley

2257
01:34:51,900 --> 01:34:49,630
panting Swartz they're taking back the

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01:34:54,450 --> 01:34:51,910
night by jetting non-stop across the

2259
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:54,460
cosmos in search of the truly bizarre

2260
01:35:01,110 --> 01:34:57,760
and totally unexplained with you as

2261
01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:01,120
their combined Thursday nights at 7:00

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01:35:07,570 --> 01:35:04,900
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01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:07,580
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01:35:13,480 --> 01:35:10,190
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2266
01:35:19,450 --> 01:35:16,340
Swartz check out their kco our digital

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